ancientsgate wrote:

Yes, I am half joking. No need to be "horrified"; it was just a thought, perhaps a silly one, but not original with me, take my word for it.

It doesn't matter if you (or I, or anyone else) wish there were no baby. There IS a baby.... the writers have painted their characters into that particular corner, and now they're going to have to decide what to do with it. We shall all be waiting on pins and needles for the big reveal in S4, as always.


 

Please don't be offended, I was joking, not making fun of you... What I mean is that of course they've created an interesting challenge for themselves in writing in Mary's pregnancy, but in order for it to work it will take more than making the baby into yet another "pressure point" for the characters before finding a way to get rid of it. 

What worries me is that Mofftiss are such fans of Sherlock Holmes as a character that they derive infinite pleasure from putting him in oddly conventional situations... The stag night and best man speech were great fun but it would be boring if their next great idea was to explore "what happens when you put Sherlock and a crying baby in the same room".... I'm sure it would be funny, I just hope there isn't too much of it.

In terms of Mary Morstan being already dead... At first I didn't buy it but maybe it is their way of killing her off-scene like ACD did without undermining John's actual wife as a protagonist.

Hmmm... Damn, I don't think she's going to die at all now. Hopefully John is faking and is going to leave her soon.

mrshouse wrote:

Skull, I agree. I'm actually convinced now that just writing anybody out and killing them is cowardice. Not Mofftiss. It would be a strong scenario if they separated on terms of ratio. Which leads me back to the point it would probably erase from something within Marys past, which leads me back to my niggling feeling, that as John forgave his wife we probably have to swallow it, choke on it and its done, which leads me back to John Watsons future domestic bliss, which leads me back to...aaarrrggghhh🙈🙉🙊

Nope... I think that would be even more boring. And an underestimation of John's judgement. SOMETHING is going to disrupt their joke of a domestic bliss and allow a refocus on Sherlock and John's relationship. We just don't know when it's going to hit the fan (pun intended, obviously). Might not even be until series 5, which would likely compromise the sanity of a lot of people.

But agreed that it will come from Mary's past, which John may know more about than he lets on...

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besleybean wrote:

I'm kinda surprised you all think John knows so much.
He's been toatlly gormless for 3 seasosn so far, so why change the habit of a life time?!

Haha. Good point. But I think that's precisely why they might go down that route if they are looking to surprise us (which obviously they are). Plus it wouldn't take Sherlock's brilliant deductions or any cunning plotting... It wouldn't be out of character for John to have read his lying wife's files, would it?
 

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I think it's likely Marys past connects to Moriarty....as does Magnusson.
Balance of probability.  Probably Moriarty was who she was hiding from and thus she sought out John initially to discover the truth of Moriarty/Sherlocks death.

Sherlock realised she had been found..and the Moriarty connections and manipulated keeping her close for this reason. ( protecting them )

Mycroft knew everything and left her in situ as bait..hence why he warned Sherlock at the wedding happy ever afters are a lie..like doggy heaven was.Sherlock deduces something about the pregnancy@Mary and realises Mycroft is correct..as always....thats why the sad wedding exit.

Moriarty2 will deffo seek her death and likely get it.

Mrs Hudsons story may be foreshadowing....by the time Mary dies the revelations may proove to have been be too much for John and he is kinda relieved.

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besleybean wrote:

I'm kinda surprised you all think John knows so much.
He's been toatlly gormless for 3 seasosn so far, so why change the habit of a life time?!

What does gormless mean?  I'm not familiar with that word. Thx.
 

tonnaree wrote:

ancientsgate wrote:

besleybean wrote:

I'm kinda surprised you all think John knows so much.
He's been toatlly gormless for 3 seasosn so far, so why change the habit of a life time?!

What does gormless mean?  I'm not familiar with that word. Thx.
 

I believe it's basically the same as clueless.

Clueless about what exactly?

John has always been portrayed as (somewhat) Everyman.... or as much Everyman as an MD who is also a decorated wounded-in-battle combat veteran can be. I don't see that he's any more clueless than any average guy is, about relationships in general and women in particular and....  stuff.

I did NOT like that thing they threw in towards the end of S3, about John being as f'ing crazy as Sherlock and Mary. I just have never seen any evidence of emotional pathology from John--  often confused, sometimes overly sensitive, in love with someone he doesn't think he can or should have, bored at work, thrilled to death to run the dangerous streets with Sherlock, perhaps unduly flattered that someone like Sherlock would actually want him around, willing to kill to protect those he loves, lonely and sad after Sherlock died---  yes, all those and more, but none of that makes someone pathological. Or clueless. I must have missed something, because I didn't understand that scene when John swore and threw the chair and yelled about how he's as crazy as any of them. I need to watch it again, I suppose, maybe I could understand it better on a 5th or 6th (whatever it would be) viewing.

Sherlock was *dead*, buried under a pretty black tombstone in a lonely church graveyard, so John went on with his life, and as many, many, many guys before him do, he fell for the first pretty face who smiled at him, treated him well, gave him nice sex, and flattered him-- a woman doesn't have to be a pathological anything to understand very well how to attract (and keep) a man, if she so chooses. And men are gullible in that way. I don't blame John for his falling for Mary, not at all-- again, he was just doing his guy thing, like most guys do. Not pathological, IMO.

And to haul this back on topic, as we've already established, the actual Mary Morstan is already dead. Therefore, the showrunners can keep this fake Mary alive as long as they want, as long as it suits them, as long as her actress wants the part. Just my opinion, but I don't think we'll see Mary or the baby die in S4. I could be wrong; I've been wrong before, lol.
 

I don't think it was suggested that John himself is psychotic, but that he is attracted to them!

Yep.
Exactly why I love the show!

But why should she die when she can leave or disappear or fall in love with John´s sister Harry and elope with her? 

nakahara wrote:

But why should she die when she can leave or disappear or fall in love with John´s sister Harry and elope with her? 

Exactly. I want her out of the way ultimately but I'm convinced they're going to keep her around in the universe somehow. The Mary/Harry idea is funny. Catherine Tate would be a fantastic addition to the show regardless!