deerstalker wrote:

I sincerely hope there is no Moran the Woman Involved with Watson. Didn't poor John suffer enough? If we are talking about Sherlock/John dynamic, I'd much rather Sherlock need John rather than vise versa.

I thought that showing a female Moran as a John love interest would serve to illustrate John moving on in his life. Surely John will not be living 3 years hence(assuming a time lag) in the same place relationship wise. Especially after the Johnlock element is removed, Watson will surely seek out and find a long term romantic relationship. It surely need not be a deadly femme fatale though

It made sense to me to make Moran a woman because Moftiss always skews the canon and we just left an over the top male antagonist super villain so I saw them changing it up a bit.

I love the concept of John needing to help Sherlock but how to implement it? The idea that Sherlock only comes back into Watson's life because he needs something from him leaves me cold and antagonistic towards Sherlock.

Ugh, I hate gender changes. If any of the characters would have worked better as women, then ACD would have written them as women. You don't see anyone suggesting that Irene Adler should be a man so why do it the other way round?

I cannot see the point to a twist like that.

Besides, Moffat HAS to live up to his misogynist reputation ...... hehehehe!

I will gladly stand alone as wanting a female Moran!  And I will shamelessly take credit for it should it happen!

Sentimental Pulse wrote:

deerstalker wrote:

I sincerely hope there is no Moran the Woman Involved with Watson. Didn't poor John suffer enough? If we are talking about Sherlock/John dynamic, I'd much rather Sherlock need John rather than vise versa.

I thought that showing a female Moran as a John love interest would serve to illustrate John moving on in his life. Surely John will not be living 3 years hence(assuming a time lag) in the same place relationship wise. Especially after the Johnlock element is removed, Watson will surely seek out and find a long term romantic relationship. It surely need not be a deadly femme fatale though

It made sense to me to make Moran a woman because Moftiss always skews the canon and we just left an over the top male antagonist super villain so I saw them changing it up a bit.

I love the concept of John needing to help Sherlock but how to implement it? The idea that Sherlock only comes back into Watson's life because he needs something from him leaves me cold and antagonistic towards Sherlock.

I agree, Sentimental Pulse- I hope John moves on, scars and all. Mostly I hope his hand does not have the tremor anymore and he is able to start practicing medicine full- time again; dating , too. This break is a chance for John to find his place in a civilian world; I'd like him to reunite with Sherlock because it is his choice, not becasue he is "swept off his feet and rescued".

Kazza474, thank you- I missed the Moffat article when he talks about updating. I am sure it'll be brilliant (now  in my mind I see a little hologram of Sherlock appearing- in a sheet- "Help me, John Watson, you are my only hope" )

As for Moran's gender- either would work, he ( or she)  is an incidental character. It's a far cry from female Watson.
And while I think the accusations of mysoginy re: "A Scandal" were ridiculous, women's right are a huge issue, especially worldwide. Just not in this particulas case. Moffat's wife is the Executive producer of the show, LOL. Maybe he was working out family dynamic by letting Sherlock have a final say.

Last edited by deerstalker (June 29, 2012 5:02 pm)

Tantalus, I think you're quite right about the shorter absence of Sherlock. Although I'd quite like to see him visit the Dalai Lama.

Tantalus wrote:

I personally like the online disguise idea. Sherlock could post on John's blog, giving him clues towards the solving of whatever murder John's trying to solve, etc. That would be a nice parallel to the"bibliophile" Holmes was impersonating in the canon.

Good point; nice idea on what the updated version would be. I was struggling with that translation & yet it's so obvious.

As to the time away, I feel like it will be much shorter--months, perhaps. This version of Sherlock Holmes doesn't appear as much a Renaissance Man as the one of the canon, and also seems quicker on the draw. I suspect it won't take him all that long to clear up his name and catch all the bad guys.

Yes, I did post about this ages ago somewhere.... again, the updated translation would be a shorter time frame because things DO happen faster these days. Even if he wanted to do the whole sabbatical in Switzerland thing, it doesn't take that long to get there these days.
As far as tracking down any Moriarty accomplices, he could do that online & lead the authorities to the criminal in that way also.

I read a 'biography' of Sherlock Holmes a while back while waiting for Series 2 to hurry up and get here, and it took quite a few pages talking about how incredibly deadly difficult it would be for Sherlock Holmes to get into Tibet and Persia and the other locations that he cites. Europeans either weren't allowed or had to cross huge mountain ranges to get into these places, and most died either at the hands of other humans or because of the elements.

Our Sherlock doesn't have to deal with that. With Mycroft's help, Sherlock could probably get into any country on the globe except maybe North Korea, Iran and Tibet included. Planes have eliminated any need for a thousand-odd mile trek across a wasteland, thus eliminating the need to be gone for 3 years. I personally think it will be 18 months, if even that long. I only say 18 months because Moftiss might be feeling magnanimous and give the fans a nice little nod. I would like it even better if he got back in September 2013, when the show will probably air, which would make it more like 14 months.

I think that Moftiss will probably keep to 'real time' for Sherlock's reappearance. This will avoid any problems of ageing etc. Sir ACD chose to have Sherlock Holmes absent for three years in the original stories although in reality there were eight years between Holmes's 'death' at the Reichenbach Falls and his reappearance.

kazza474 wrote:

hmm, you know it just doesn't sound as romantic saying "sherlock hopped on a plane here; then went there then went by cruise ship to there.....' so I hope they just don't bother with the 'trek' idea at all.
Although, Sherlock on a cruise ship..... lmao interesting.

I can't see Sherlock on a cruise ship. He'd get so bored. Well, unless there played out some kind of Murder on the Orient Express-type mystery.