besleybean wrote:

This is a moot point, as Sherlock and John have no physical intimacy.

We have seen right around 13 and a half hours of their life/lives out of the last 5+ years; I would imagine they've done a lot of things, alone and together, (a LOT of the things, lol), that no one has seen fit to show us. Although the showrunners have blah, blah, blahed about how there is no Johnlock, it's only in our minds, etc, there's just the deep friendship, they've left the door WIDE OPEN for the watchers of those very few episodes to fill in the Johnlock blanks all over the place. Don't be so sure, is all I'm sayin', of all of what S/J have or have not done off-screen.

And hence, all that delicous fan fic, as the authors and readers try mightily to fix that big gap, between what is seen and what very might well have been.
 

SolarSystem wrote:

But it seems that a girl constantly has to defend and explain and justify her hopes in this thread. It's the same with all threads about Johnlock, and I'm really getting sick and tired of this.
 

The discussion about Johnlock is interesting (to me), though, as long as no one gets flamed. I don't get why the anti-Johnlockers would visit these threads either, but they do, all the time. I enjoy discussing it with those who are seeking, and who have open minds about it-- those folks need encouragement, lololol!

SolarSystem wrote:

Okay, let's take a look at this, because it hurts so good:

Hurting. The both of them. Anyone can see it, even those in the Johnlock-is-vulgar camp. One would have to be blind in one eye and unable to see out of the other not to clearly read the emotions of it on these faces.


 

silverblaze wrote:

  I'm not sure whether this is a thread where non shippers are invited voice their opinion, if not I deeply apologise,

No need to apologize for anything in my book. All are welcome here IMO. I'm not a mod, of course, and the mods get to decide what goes, but I haven't seen anything here to apologize for today.

but anyway. I find romantic stories not very interesting in general, they are often cliched, people looking into each other's eyes and realising something etcetera. That's what I find so commonplace and vulgar, maybe cliche is a better word for it. I don't like love songs either, they're thirteen a dozen, not very interesting in general.

I agree that m/f shippy stories are b-o-r-i-n-g and overdone. Cliched, yes, a good word. I'm sick to death of them, which is why I don't read shippy het fan fic, and I don't watch TV dramas that feature some guy always having to be in bed with a woman (or vice versa), as though that's interesting, because it's not (to me). M/M slash stories and fictional relationships, OTOH, are fascinating to me. *shrug*  It's whatever floats our individual boats, right?

....No need to flame me ladies. 

I haven't seen any flaming of anyone today, but maybe I missed something. In fact, I made a point that I was specifically NOT talking about you in one of the things I posted today. The mods here are terrific, though, so anyone who has a complaint about the forum and takes it up with them privately will definitely be heard; at least, that's been my experience.
 

gently69 wrote:

The really "durchdringenden" (what's the English word?) looks are Sherlock's imo.

Intense. He has a penetrating gaze. Yes.
 

Harriet wrote:

besleybean wrote:

This is a moot point, as Sherlock and John have no physical intimacy.

Sorry, besley, that is simply off topic here in this thread. This is "The comprehensive Johnlock guide" and not a discussion about if they have physical intimacy or not. 

But discussions about Brokeback Mountain or Rob Roy are ON topic?  I must have missed something-- in fact, I'm sure I did!! We've been all over the place today.
 

SusiGo wrote:

Please listen for a second, everybody. This is a thread (started by me) directed at people who like Johnlock and wish to discuss elements of the series that may be used as proof for this theory. Anyone who does not want to see this/read about this/imagine this does not have to come here. 
For those who wish to discuss it in a positive way, however, it gets quite annoying to having to defend their ideas over and over again. 
For a basic discussion we have the The Offical Debate thread. Thank you very much. 

And thank you very much, Susi.
 

ancientsgate wrote:

SolarSystem wrote:

.....if I thought it to be absolutely impossible to happen on the show because it's an utter negative, I doubt that I'd enjoy reading about it all that much.  

People do it [read Johnlock when they find it unthinkable and vulgar] all the time, though. I've seen posts about this very thing many times over the couple of years I've been here. I've also seen many posts about how sex is dirty, how sex ruins friendship, and how relationships without sex are of a higher caliber than those with it. I don't share those views, but there are many who do, apparently.
 

I think you guys don't understand because you see it so black and white. Let me explain my particular shades of grey, I'm sure it's different for everyone, we're discussing personal taste after all. I can appreciate a good johnlock fic, even though I don't seek them out a lot, they can be well written and emotional and really beautiful. But for me, they're AU and for the canon characters I think it would takes away from the friendship story. For some reason I find the idea of a warm, understated friendship way more powerful than a romantic relationship in this case. 

SusiGo wrote:

Please listen for a second, everybody. This is a thread (started by me) directed at people who like Johnlock and wish to discuss elements of the series that may be used as proof for this theory. Anyone who does not want to see this/read about this/imagine this does not have to come here. 
For those who wish to discuss it in a positive way, however, it gets quite annoying to having to defend their ideas over and over again. 
For a basic discussion we have the The Offical Debate thread. Thank you very much. 

I see, I confused the threads. Sorry.

And yes, he was drunk - but was he really that drunk...?

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