Wonderful description, tonnaree. It is so sad. 

SolarSystem wrote:

   Well, that's two different things you're talking about here. One thing is whether or not those writers would go there and how they would do it; the other thing is whether or not we would like to see it happen if it's handled the way I mentioned. And if it were handled the way I mentioned, yes, I would definitely want it. Because I actually have difficulties with seeing fanfic and the show itself as two completely different things. If I read (good) Johnlock fanfic or see (good) Johnlock fanart, all I can think is 'God, I wanna see this on the show.'  But you're probably right, we live in different worlds then. 

What I meant was, you sound as though you live in a world where we might actually live long enough to see Johnlock become a reality on the show. And in my world, I don't have enough faith to believe it. I wish I did, but I just don't. It's okay by me if full-blown Johnlock remains in fan fic and that we never see it on the actual show, mostly because I'm afraid that the writers (and maybe even the actors) wouldn't handle it in such a way that I'd be pleased, and I'd rather see it stay the way it is rather than getting mishandled. As I said, I have no faith, and I admit it.
 

ancientsgate wrote:

One of the first "rules" for good H/C fan fic is to dish out the hurt and then the comfort in equal measures-- so that the comfort that is finally offered to the characters is in proportion to the amount of hurt you dragged them through in the first place.

Really? I'm not so sure about that, I'm a real sucker for h/c but that's not my experience. They certainly don't need equal length, you can have things happen offscreen etcetera. The only thing that's important for me is that the character's reactions are logical and in character. And preferably the story should make sense. 

ancientsgate wrote:

 In the actual show, we get way more H than we do C, which I find very frustrating. I still cannot get over that airport scene at the end of 3.3, when John couldn't even *look* at Sherlock, and Sherlock stood there and wasted precious moments joking about how his name was a girl's name. I mean, seriously.... WTF was that?  I don't get it, why that was written or acted that way, either one.

I think you're right: you didn't get it.  No, I don't want to snark at you, we just have a different taste, but I thought it was one of the most emotional scenes of the whole show and it was emotional exactly because it was subtle. It touched me more than the ending of Reichebach when Sherlock went flying. I prefer subtle to on-the-nose, it seems more real to me, those 'big' emotions rarely happen IRL and are for me therefore more difficult to relate to. 

Anyway, back on topic, I wouldn't want jonlock to happen on the show, I really don't care for it at all. For me it takes away from the beautiful understated friendship story and makes it into something a lot more commonplace and vulgar. However, some fanfics are really written well and then I enjoy it too, but it's really AU for me. If I had to choose a pairing, I'd personally find Mystrade way more interesting, because Mycroft in a relationship can only be hilarious. 

silverblaze wrote:

For me it takes away from the beautiful understated friendship story and makes it into something a lot more commonplace and vulgar.

And for me it depends on how it is written, and if it is beautifully written then I don't see why it should take away anything from what we're having at this point and why it should almost automatically turn their friendship into something 'commonplace and vulgar'.
 

silverblaze wrote:

ancientsgate wrote:

One of the first "rules" for good H/C fan fic is to dish out the hurt and then the comfort in equal measures-- so that the comfort that is finally offered to the characters is in proportion to the amount of hurt you dragged them through in the first place.

Really? I'm not so sure about that, I'm a real sucker for h/c but that's not my experience. They certainly don't need equal length, you can have things happen offscreen etcetera. The only thing that's important for me is that the character's reactions are logical and in character. And preferably the story should make sense.

Well, of course any story should make sense. When I mentioned balancing the H with the eventual C, I was talking about the totality of the story, the sum total of what happens on screen or on the pages, as well as off, anything the watcher or reader is aware of.

A story that piles on the H and piles it on some more and then piles on more after that, but then never offers enough C by the end, is a real downer, IMO. I've read stories like that, and they leave me bereft. Which is okay if the reader LKES to feel bereft, I suppose; each to his own. One thing about fan fic, there's enough of every type and kind in this fandom to potentially keep everyone happy, no matter what their particular kinks are.

  I think you're right: you didn't get it.  No, I don't want to snark at you, we just have a different taste, but I thought it [the airport scene] was one of the most emotional scenes of the whole show and it was emotional exactly because it was subtle. It touched me more than the ending of Reichebach when Sherlock went flying. I prefer subtle to on-the-nose, it seems more real to me, those 'big' emotions rarely happen IRL and are for me therefore more difficult to relate to.

You found that emotional?  Wow, you really are into subtlety. I don't mind subtle, I suppose, and I agree that it would be nice to keep anything that happens in the show realistic. And as you can tell, I am certainly NOT into kissing, hugging and pledging undying love!  But lord, when they had John not even be able to look Sherlock in the face, and then the stupid joking, sorry, that was just cold. Stone cold dead cold. Dead things can be pretty subtle, too, after all. *shrug* Just my take on it.

The airport scene meant to be a cliffhanger, I get that, but I guess I felt dangled over the cliff a bit too thoroughly. Back in episode 2.3, TRF had the fall and John's reaction in the street, which were all emotionally very hard, but in that case, the writers followed up that shock and horror with a satisfying cemetery scene, where John showed some honest emotion, hope and faith, and then they showed the viewers a delightful, secret-to-John thing--   SHERLOCK, STILL ALIVE!  Much better done than the cliffhanger of 3.3.

Anyway, back on topic, I wouldn't want johnlock to happen on the show, I really don't care for it at all. For me it takes away from the beautiful understated friendship story and makes it into something a lot more commonplace and vulgar. However, some fanfics are really written well and then I enjoy it too, but it's really AU for me. If I had to choose a pairing, I'd personally find Mystrade way more interesting, because Mycroft in a relationship can only be hilarious. 

The type of romantic love many of us fan fic readers are into is not commonplace or vulgar. It's super-special, all shiny-new-wonderful (yes, the stuff of fiction,but reading it delights our souls), and we enjoy seeing Sherlock and John:  a) together as lovers, b) happy, and c) looking forward to staying together forever.  Pollyanna-ish?  Maybe. But it works for a lot of us.

But I don't want to see it on the show, for what that's worth.
 

ancientsgate wrote:

If one were a woman and the other a man, no one would sit around having these discussions about whether or not we want to see it in the show or if we ever will or if we even should.

Uhm, yes. Exactly.
 

This is a moot point, as Sherlock and John have no physical intimacy.

Yes. Indeed. 

tonnaree wrote:

besleybean wrote:

This is a moot point, as Sherlock and John have no physical intimacy.

 
Ah, but a girl can hope BB, a girl can hope. 

But it seems that a girl constantly has to defend and explain and justify her hopes in this thread.
It's the same with all threads about Johnlock, and I'm really getting sick and tired of this.
 

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