Small town boy?

Ah ok. Don't know the lyrics that good. But my suggestion could also be right. 

Harriet wrote:

And I'm convinced after all evidence given that they decided to make Sherlock gay without everybody noticing it right away

Or they decided to leave it open to interpretation, which to some people might look as if they made Sherlock asexual. If it isn't there right under your nose that means it's asexuality...?
 

I'd love to hear some more about that, Harriet.

Ah, I understand. But there's not just him, there's also this other guy... 
Then again, I always loved Mulder's poster in "The X-Files" which states: I BELIEVE.

Your contribution is quite convincing, Susi...
As for me, I think there have been a lot of tiny details which added up to a big picture which at one point I just couldn't ignore any longer - and this doesn't just go for Sherlock's sexuality but also for Johnlock. A lot of things made sense to me once I saw them in a broader context.

SusiGo wrote:

Now look at the numerous occasions when people suppose John is his boyfriend and the scene with Jim in the lab where he reacts professionally interested/curious but not shocked in the least. There is no denial, no anger (as distinguished from John).

Definitely. I agree. He always seems cool as a cucumber when someone assumes he and John are in a relationship, not surprised, not defensive, not embarrassed, not anything but a bit aloof and as you say, curious.

Of course all this does not mean that he acts out on his sexuality, just that he has one. And that maybe he has had experience at an earlier time of his life. And that it is probably not directed towards women.

I still don't 100% understand what the asexual word means. My computer dictionary says it just means that someone is not having sex. Well, priests/nuns/monks don't have sex because of their vows of chastity, and lots and lots of others choose not to have sex, but as you say, Susi, it just means that they don't act out on their sexuality, not that they don't have one.  IMO, there's worlds of difference. It bothers me to think that Sherlock is so damaged, so odd, "weird", if you will, that he just doesn't have any sexual thoughts or urges at all. But as I said, there are lots of folks who, for whatever unique reasons of their own, decide not to act on them, and I think that's probably what Sherlock has done.

I don't, OTOH, see him as gay necessarily. Sure, he could be. But why would we leap to that conclusion?  We haven't been given any clues to lead us to it that I can remember.

I do not believe everything the creators and actors say but when all of them say that he is not conceived as being asexual/a virgin, I tend to believe them. 

Yeah. Too weird, sorry. Especially the virgin thing. I mean, please, gimme a break. Surely that was written into the scripts as a joke? Sarcasm? Part of the Mycroft-Sherlock dynamic?
 

I think it is interesting as to how people react when someone views Sherlock as an asexual. From what I read about asexuals is that they just have little to no sex drive. It doesn't mean they don't have sex or they hate it. They just don't experience sexual attraction. They don't care about it. 

I'm not a professional on the subject. This is just what I got off websites detailing asexuality.

I can see why people view Sherlock in that way and going by the show where we actually don't see Sherlock seem interested in engaging in such acts (Doesn't mean he has or hasn't in the past. That is for individual intrepretation.) Also, you can view that he puts his urges to other use like crime-solving. Maybe what Sally Donovan said is true when she said he gets off on it. Just watch TGG again, the whole eppisode is basicially Moriarty seducing Sherlock and them flirting back and forth. LOL

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I do not believe everything the creators and actors say but when all of them say that he is not conceived as being asexual/a virgin, I tend to believe them. 

Yeah. Too weird, sorry. Especially the virgin thing. I mean, please, gimme a break. Surely that was written into the scripts as a joke? Sarcasm? Part of the Mycroft-Sherlock dynamic?
 

I think we're forgetting something important that could explain perfectly the meaning of that quote in that moment:  Sherlock was a virgin at that time but he isn't now.

Moffat said this two years ago:

And our Sherlock is twenty years younger than Basil Rathbone. The accomplished version would never be that cruel, would never be that silly. Probably isn’t a virgin. I can’t imagine that man as a virgin. Something happened, somewhere. I think Sherlock would have to, somewhere. He’s a man with a past…You see more of this in Baskerville, where he encounters fear, and doubt, and loss in Reichenbach Falls. These are the fires in which the great hero is forged. He’s not the Sherlock Holmes we know and love yet.


And now he says this:

Sherlock learns. Now, that doesn't always make him nicer. He's learned how to have a relationship with a girl... so he can break into an office, you know? He's learned how to do all that. So it doesn't always make him nicer or better, but the Sherlock Holmes in the first series simply couldn't have dated Janine. Sherlock Holmes in the third series can date Janine. That's not necessarily good news for Janine. [Laughs]"

And this:

Is Sherlock Holmes a virgin or not? You can’t ever establish it. Oddly enough, they did the same in [1970 Billy Wilder film The Private Life Of Sherlock Holmes]. They had a scene which established that he had done the deed, but they cut it. Same thing. We just don’t know. I personally can’t imagine that he is, but you can’t ever confirm it.

And finally the Benedict quote that opened this topic:

CUMBERBATCH: Non-threatening, unavailable, cruel – I mean, there are a lot of recipes to why that might be the case. I don’t know. He has a sexuality. There’s no doubt about it. It’s just he subsumes it in order to do his work. I’ve said that many times before, but the idea that he doesn’t know or hasn’t experienced sex I think is inaccurate."


I think for Moffat and Cumberbatch "that" part of his "evolution" already happened, and I agree, I can't imagine season one Sherlock faking a relationship with a woman, there was a huge diference between the frozen Sherlock before the naked (and dressed) Irene and the Sherlock who laughed when Janine got into the shower with him: experience.

And that is a kind of experience that you don't learn obseving people or reading a book, its physical experience.

I don't think Sherlock reacted awkward at Mollys comment because he is a virgin, everyone can react like that when certain people talk about their sexual life so openly, Watson, for example, had an awkward reaction when Mrs. Hudson began to talk about her pasionate sex life with her husband.

If Sherlock isn't asexual, if he had "impulses", I think he could have "fall" with someone somewhere.  He's human after all... and experience is always and advantage.

For me what say one of the writers and the actor who plays the character it's like God's words, in the end, it's their intention which is reflected in the show.

Very sorry for my english, I hope that you understand what I`m trying to say...


 

ancientsgate wrote:

Yeah. Too weird, sorry. Especially the virgin thing. I mean, please, gimme a break. Surely that was written into the scripts as a joke? Sarcasm? Part of the Mycroft-Sherlock dynamic?
 

Whatever it was, in this case I wouldn't take Mycroft's words as a fact. Moriarty calls him "The Iceman", and I don't really see why Mycroft should be an expert on his brother's virginity/sexuality. If we're talking about something like asexuality, in my opinion Mycroft is a far better candidate for it than Sherlock.
Yes, Mycroft knows everything, but in this case I tend to not trust his words.