So we have the 2 people John loves the most in the world.
I am still not getting why he would marry one and not the other.
It would make more sense if he married neither!
 

It may be his wish to lead a "normal life". And of course she helped him to cope with Sherlock's death. But after he came back … well …  

besleybean wrote:

So we have the 2 people John loves the most in the world.
I am still not getting why he would marry one and not the other.
It would make more sense if he married neither!
 

 
That's a good point. Have to think about that.
Then again, he was already proposing to Mary when Sherlock reappeared. And then he just "went on with what he began"? Maybe he wouldn't have at all if Sherlock had been back a tad earlier?

besleybean wrote:

But why not just live with her, or just go out with her, or just be friends?
Sorry Solar, we cross posted...
But then, why doesn't he marry Sherlock?

In the US we're more and more seeing people (heterosexual people) getting married solely because they want to have children, and the way our society and the tax, insurance and inheritance regulations are set up regarding marriage, it's much more advantageous to have kids inside a legal marriage contract than outside of it.

Could be John is just old-fashioned enough to believe that marrying the woman you love is what you do. "If you like it, put a ring on it," as the Beyonce song says.

He wouldn't marry Sherlock, not without a major shift in John's own self-view. I'm. Not. Gay.  and all that protesting he's been doing about his orientation. "How many times do I have to say it? I'm. Not. Gay. Sherlock. Is. Not. My. Boyfriend."
 

besleybean wrote:

.....I am interested in why he chose Mary and not Sherlock.
I feel this is the nub of the Johnlock debate.

The writers have made a huge point about John believing that he isn't gay. Over and over again, they've written dialogue for him to protest, loudly, when people assume he's Sherlock's boyfriend. So.  Unless the writers change that, give him other words to speak, then he'd never even think of Sherlock in "that way"--  straight men rarely switch their orientation just because they have a good-looking, interesting and available male friend. Go out for a pint or two with him, yes, but kiss him?  Ewwww!  *smile*
 

besleybean wrote:

Well quite.
Obviously you realize, this was my entire point!

I'm new to the thread, so I don't know what anyone's point is.

IMO Johnlock is for fan fic, and it's best left there. ACD himself and every reincarnation of SH since then have all dealt with a strong undercurrent of unrequited love between Sherlock and John. Their friendship, I believe, was always intended to be "something more"--  transcending the boundaries of ordinary male bonding to something deeper, having to do with trust and loyalty, like blood brothers. But the idea of actually moving them into romance and sexual activity, of actually telling stories that include that, is something that belongs in fan fic, as I said, in my opinion. I honest to god hope TPTB at BBC never, ever decide to actually let S and J do more than just have eye sechs. It's intriguing the way it is, and I think it should stay that way.

 

Last edited by ancientsgate (April 14, 2014 2:18 pm)

All agree with you, tonnaree 

I agree.
Leave the rest to the conspiracy theorists!
Much of the time I think John is a dork...
But I think he knows himself on this one.
And I'm bound to say:
only in the Sherlock fandom, would people think John marrying Mary was confrimation of him being in  love with Sherlock.

Last edited by besleybean (April 14, 2014 2:26 pm)

Well he's not in the army now.
What evidence have you for him being bisexual?

Well I guess the proof will be in the pudding....
when we eventually see Sherlock and John in a relationship.
This is rather than the current 2 camps of Johnlockers:
1.  Sherlock and John are already in a relationship.
2.  Hopefully John and Sherlock will one day be in relationship.

Last edited by besleybean (April 14, 2014 8:47 pm)