Yeah, that was pretty funny. Especially when Molly was embarrassed and made him sit down. He seems like a bit of an idiot, bless him. And isn't a "meat dagger" some kind of sexual innuendo as well...?

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

And isn't a "meat dagger" some kind of sexual innuendo as well...?

Well if it wasn't before it sure is now. OMG I did not need that visual! haha

I loved Molly sticking him with a fork and then grimacing apologetically, but not where he could see lmao

I forget where I read this, but maybe  Tom was in competition with Sherlock, so to speak. He felt Molly was still hung up on Sherlock, and wanted to prove he was "just as good" in the same way? Molly does seem a bit preoccupied with Sherlock, but then again, he's got the floor.

In HLV, when Molly goes off on Sherlock, and he responds with, "I'm sorry your engagement is broken," obviously he thinks that that's at the root of the anger she's got built up.

But I wonder if (and I just thought of this), she noticed his flirtation with Janine at the wedding, and that also played a role in her getting so angry at him? After all of this time of his being nicer to her, then he suddenly takesn an interest in another (sexy) woman.

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

Yeah, that was pretty funny. Especially when Molly was embarrassed and made him sit down. He seems like a bit of an idiot, bless him. And isn't a "meat dagger" some kind of sexual innuendo as well...?

Haha, yep that was hilarious.  I thought it was an innuendo, but then I´m no native, I can´t be sure (maybe it´s just my brain in the gutter ^^).

That moment was probably the beginning of the end of their relationship..

Isn't it funny that suddenly some characters look a lot like others or remind us of others?

SherlocklivesinOH wrote:

I thought Janine looked (and in some ways acted) like Irene. I'm not sure she was as much of a game-player though...there's no indication she was spying on him for CAM or anything...she may just have been excited to be hooking up with a celebrity. 

But that scene with Molly and Tom: Molly is the one acting...I don't want to keep tossing around words like 'sociopathic' but she's the one who does the really nasty (painful) thing. I don't see why deserves it. It's like Molly doesn't want him to upstage Sherlock.

I wouldn't say sociopathic, but-- I gotta say, I was dissapointed in the way they handled Molly's character this season-- it seemed like for the most part, our lovely , sweet, geeky girl was gone....

Instead, they made her a little pathetic, with finding Tom, the Sherlock substitute, and then she tries to rub Sherlock's nose in it by telling him that she and Tom have lots of sex; she comes along on a case, and can't really handle it, and then she's rather shrewish to poor Tom, who doesn't deserve to be treated that way.

It broke my heart. I would have loved to see her truly come back into her own. 

Honestly, if I was a writer of Sherlock I would cease from writing female characters completely. I noticed that no matter what female character the writers introduce to us, they are always criticised for their choises.
 
There is a nice oriental tale from Central Asia in which an old man and his young son travel through the country at the back of a mule. Everytime they pass a group of people they are heavily criticised: people complain that the poor mule must carry too much weight with two people on its back. So the young boy jumps down and travels on foot. This time people complain that the old man is a brute, sitting comfortably in the saddle while his young son sweats. So the father and the son change places and a young one is now sitting on the mule. Big mistake! People are sneering now that the boy has no manners, letting his old father stumble on foot while he rides the mule comfortably. So the boy jumps down again and they both walk leading the mule with them. The people then laught that they are both stupid - it′s such a hot day and they have a mule with them, why do they walk and not ride? The father and his son then take the mule on their shoulders and carry it home – they must resort to an absurd solution because there′s no other way how to please their critics.
 
It′s the same with women in Sherlock.
 
Molly is a nice and pretty normal, sympathetic girl with a crush such girls often have? She is a bad role model because she allows a man to deride her.
 
So Molly is changed to a BAMF. But instead of being happy people now complain that she is too violent and out of character and that they want old Molly back.
 
Sally Donovan is quite competent and self-confident policewoman, she just doesn′t like Sherlock. She is immediately castigated as being bitchy.
 
People are dissing Sherlock for having no strong female characters. Enters Irene Adler who is inteligent, elegant and oozes aggressive strenght and charm while also having no fear to use her body and has a provocative physical appeal. Oh no, she is all wrong because she doesn′t fit into the mold of some politically correct woman image.
 
So Mary Morstan is written into the show – funny, likeable, self-sufficient and friendly to Sherlock. She is dismissed as a „Mary Sue“.
 
Then tables turn and Mary Morstan is revealed to be a dangerous and calculating former assassin. She is designated as being a wasted opportunity.
 
Really, there is no way to please the audience, is it?
 

I like Molly and have said before on here that she was never "weak" - people sometimes confuse kindness with weakness, but I don't; I always saw Molly as a sweet, kind character who just happens to be hopelessly in love with Sherlock.
I think the strong inner core was always there, and don't think the writers needed to hammer that point home by having her slap people or stick forks in them!
My feeling is with these things that if we wouldn't be comfortable seeing a male character do something like that to a  female, then we should be equally uncomfortable when it happens the other way around.
I've already said elsewhere what my problems with Mary and Irene were, but what I will repeat is that you can be absolutely brilliant writers - which Moftiss undoubtedly are, but it doesn't mean that you'll get absolutely everything right, or that you'll please absolutely everyone all of the time

I can only speak for myself but
- I didn't really see the need to have Sherlock OR Irene naked (didn't like SiB anyway - my least favourite episode)
- I think this is the point I was trying to make? It wouldn't have been funny if a woman had been drugged and whipped; I didn't think it was funny that Sherlock was either - I hated that scene.
- can't comment on Donovan and Anderson - I don't think too much fuss has been made of Donovan calling Sherlock "freak" though, whereas I'm not sure how a male detective using that name for a woman would go down.
- I didn't "like" Moriarty - I suppose people see him slightly differently from Mary though because he was always a villain of the piece. With Mary it was as though she let people down when she did what she did.
Also, Moriarty, in a sense, got his come uppance whereas Mary appears to have got away with it.
- I'm not questioning Molly's friendship for Sherlock, or saying I don't like her - I think sticking a fork in your Boyfriend's hand is never a good move though!
I just don't happen to believe that being strong means being cold towards people, or physically abusive, or sexually provocative (although on that last point, I'm referring to Irene's character, not Molly's. She's always used the tactic of trying to make Sherlock jealous, I agree)

I've never seen Molly as weak though, she always had an inner strength and Sherlock has always known that; he saw beyond her crush on him to the person she is; if she wasn't an intelligent, strong character, he'd never have bothered with her.
I agree there are many examples of double standards on TV, some you have to give some leeway to or you'd never have anything to watch, but some. IMO, are unacceptable.

Sorry if I seemed overly defensive
You make some good and balanced points - it's just the portrayal of women behaving violently towards men as being somehow acceptable or even funny, is a particular beef of mine and it's one area where I wish the writers of Sherlock wouldn't go
I know your point is a much broader one than that, though.