It was closed because there already IS a thread reg. Moriarty's death.....

Right yes, Moriarty's body....if we believe that the third theory is the correct one, which most people seem to be assuming it is...then Moriarty was still up on the roof when Sherlock jumped. There was also the dead man that looked like Sherlock and I'm assuming he was the one who ended up in Sherlock's coffin. I don't actually believe this theory but it's the only one we've got to go on.
 

I don't think Moriarty's death was public knowledge based on the Morlock theory the girl in the fan club came up with. If she'd known Moriarty died, that is not a theory she would have come up with.

If we assume that the theory with Anderson was a creation of Anderson's mind and the conversation with Sherlock didn't actually take place, then it would be reasonable to assume that Anderson knew Moriarty was dead.

Hense I think it's likely that the police were aware but the public were not. Which is interesting since Sherlock's suicide made front page news but Moriarty's was hidden? Maybe they were hoping to hide his death from his network for as long as possible?

Thanks for the replies guys!

Regina Alexandra wrote:

I think Mycroft must have ordered a 'clean up' operation. The objective would have been to keep Moriarty's network confused. Mycroft's people could then issue fake texts to his network thereby aiding Sherlock as he went around dismantling what was left of the criminal organization.

I think I agree with you on this Regina, Its the only explanation I can think of as well. However Moriartys network must have known about his death as the snipers would have seen him shoot himself, so presumably they couldnt infiltrate the network this way. Ruthinks made a good point in a previous thread, which DavidM also touched upon: 

"As the news reporters say "Richard Brook was proved to be Moriarty after an extensive investigation". Anderson wouldn't have been fired immediately after the Reichenbach showdown. So the police must have come to the hospital terrace and found the body of Moriarty. But Moriarty's body has been used as a decoy according to Anderson. If they found the body,then Anderson would have know and he wouldn't have theorized what he does. Conclusion: They don't find Moriarty's body."

So basically we know that Moriarty can't have been found on the roof, by the police at least. And from the second theory we know that his death is not public knowledge. So either Mycroft arranged a 'clean up' and squirreled the body away somewhere, or his own network somehow managed to get hold of the body.



 

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One other thing: I also thought at first, that the second crackpot theory points to Moriarty's death not being common knowledge. But that's not necessarily true. This member of 'The Empty Hearse' could have thought, that Moriarty was killed by someone, after he shared a kiss with Sherlock (Maybe, Moran was jealous, lol!). Or that he killed himself after the kiss, because life couldn't get any better . I'm joking, but since her fantasy didn't include, that moriarty walked into the sunset, we cannot draw the conclusion, that Moriarty's death isn't public knowledge. We can only say, that apparently Anderson knows about Moriarty being dead. Or, that he at least strongly suspects, that Moriarty is dead.

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DavidM1337 wrote:

As far as I understand it, the two made up theories (Anderson and the girl) are based upon the public knowing, that Moriarty was involved in Sherlocks death, but Moriarty hasn't been found.
(- Andersons story: Moriarty is dead but the hearse is empty;
- Fanclub Girl story: Moriarty and Sherlock teamed up and are both alive; no dead bodies.)

Sherlocks own explanation of the jump didn't mention what happened to Moriarty at all. But he says, that Moriarty killed himself. He obviously fell for Moriartys fake death.
But then explain this: Sherlock saw Moriarty die, but the public kinda knows, that Moriarty's body wasn't found. Sherlock should be able to add 1+1 here and see that something doesn't add up.
Maybe he does, and maybe he isn't even surprised, at least season 3 didn't mention anything about it!
If I'm right, in S04E01 Sherlock should not be surprised that Moriarty is back.

So I guess Moriarty got up and ran away, when Sherlock jumped.
Notice, nobody but Sherlock (and probably Mycroft) knew that Moriarty was up there.
So then how did it become public knowledge that Moriarty was involved in this? His body wasn't found obviously. But Anderson's and the fangirl's storys both involve Moriarty being on the roof.

I like that he faked his death too and comes back, but it's strange that the whole season 3 didn't touch that subject.
Obviously they did that purposely, because they knew years ago, that he would come back.

But for me there is still a gaping hole in the story:
- All being shocked by "did you miss me?" means, that all thought Moriarty was dead.
- But how did they even know, that he died?
- Mycroft going "this can't be possible, this simply can't be possible" at the end of "His last vow" doesn't make sense at all.
If there was no Moriarty body on the roof, Mycroft would know!

So my only explanation is, that Mycroft is acting this "can't be possible" line and that he spread the "Moriarty is dead" news after "The Reichenbach Fall" to the public. And it's only logical, that Sherlock knew in S03E01 already, that Moriarty was alive, but we weren't told about it.

At least this is only way all would add up logically for me.

I don't believe in any of the theories about the "did you miss me" not being Moriarty and someone faking it for whatever reason. If that was true, nothing else would make sense any more. Because obviously the public was told, that he is dead, but it's also known, that there is no body (which might not be public, only police internal knowledge that Anderson has and gave to the fanclub).

Am I making any logical mistakes in this?

  Being missed doesn't necessarily mean dead.

He has been as invisible to the public as sherlock was- and longer because series 3 comprises nearly a year of their lives since Sherlock came back. Johns wedding was spring right- can't remember the date now, and that was the second episode. The final one is Christmas Day and into however long it takes Mycroft to arrange Sherlocks mission.

So Moriarty - who had become quite the public figure himself in series 2- has been silent and missing all this time.

Did you miss me could just as easily refer to this and not the assumption or knowledge he was dead.

All we know is that Anderson was told Moriarty was dead, and that John was told that he blew his brains out.  Mycroft could be shocked that Moriarty is loose from wherever he was confined.  We saw someone who appeared to be a dispirited, mentally deranged man kill himself on the roof.