lil wrote:

SusiGo wrote:

I have been reading that meta, too, and it is very interesting. Did you see the last chapter so far with the screenshots of the object on the floor that looks to be a phone and which Magnussen tries to pick up? I never noted that before but it is definitely there. 

 
Yes I did. I had not noticed before, I would say Magnusson for sure dialed 999 the second Mary left.
If Lestrade listened to the 999 calls made, standard procedure, he would have recognised Marys voice.
So ..Mary didn't call an ambulance...or it's just a show answer.

I'm going to agree that there's a strong possibilty that Magnussen was the one who called the ambulance. 

Well, if Sherlock had died he would have lost his pressure point regarding Mycroft, wouldn't he? Magnussen never wanted Sherlock dead, why should he? He wanted to use him, he is a valuable asset in targeting Mycroft. 

SusiGo wrote:

Well, if Sherlock had died he would have lost his pressure point regarding Mycroft, wouldn't he? Magnussen never wanted Sherlock dead, why should he? He wanted to use him, he is a valuable asset in targeting Mycroft. 

Good point. Besides, Magnussen considers himself a businessman, not actually a criminal. 

Wiggins wrote:

Willow wrote:

But the obvious way to find out what St James the Less is to Google it; the first answer that comes up on Google is that it is a church in Pimlico, with a handy little map showing how to get there.  Any ordinarily intelligent person can put a query into Google, just as any ordinarily intelligent person would know that if you want to know whether John is, or has been, at Baker St you text/email/ring Sherlock and/or Mrs Hudson.

What you don't do is take a car into central London and go to Baker St to ask Sherlock; it isn't sensible for an ordinarily intelligent person, which means that it's obviously idiotic for a highly trained agent.

And really, what sort of highly trained agent can't use Google? What sort of highly trained agent decides, in an emergency, to drive into central London? You don't need to be from England to use Google, just as you don't need to be from England to know that driving into central London is immensely time consuming. All you have to do is spend some time here, and Mary had apparently been here for five years...

So am I understanding correctly that we are just ignoring the fact that this is a show with writers who are going to go for what makes the best scene for their purposes ?

It's called Sherlock. Of COURSE she's going to go get sherlock and they're going to steal a motorbike and ride off at break neck speed together in to the unknown.

How boring would she and him texting about it and googling be? It's an action scene.

I think when we refuse to acknowledge this is television and not real actions we just jump down into the rabbit hole of over analyzation that leads to all kinds of false assumptions.

I mean its fun, but I think you guys are also trying to really analyze and figure her out before season 4 and disregarding her motivations are anything but something that moved the plot along the way Moftiss wanted is not going to achieve that goal.

Indeed. However, we are presented with certain facts by the writers, whether we like them or not, and when those facts depict something which is self-evidently contradictory we are still stuck with the fact that this is what the writers did, and therefore it was intentional on their part.

Moftiss are fine writers, who expect the viewers to use their brains, and they are too good to write stock 'insert madcap spree here' at 10 minute intervals; that's what bad writers do, and Heaven knows there are a lot of hack tv writers out there, but the reason Sherlock is so popular is that it's intelligent. It can be enjoyed at many different levels, but at the end of the day it's written by two guys who are at the top of their game, if not the game.

And when you boil it down to the facts we are left with a woman who believes that John has been kidnapped, has received a skip code text telling her where John is, and yet fails to break out her weaponry and go get him back.

Instead she drives to Baker St, and because of that delay John is subjected to a terrifying ordeal. This is not a thread for speculation; if it was I would point out that it probably didn't do much for John's PTSD.

Moftiss did this deliberately, knowing that by the end of the season she would be unmasked as a person who was entirely capable of rescuing John by herself, but who chose, for whatever reason, not to.

They knew that when they were writing it, which is why I think it is the best scene for their purposes; they were combining a great action sequence with showing us a facade which they knew would be revealed as a facade by the end of the season.
 

It seems I have not read the essay you are referring to. I am no doctor so I do not know about the survival rate but the strange thing is that Sherlock, that is the "experts" in his mind palace, seem to be quite sure he is going to die. And then he dies indeed. 
But we are going round in circles again, I suppose. 

Thank you, I will have a look at that. And it will be interesting to see if the author and the one linked by Raven will come to the same conclusion based on medical facts. 

Of course we don't exactly know why Mary was in Magnussen's bedroom.
Sherlock assumed that Magnussen had something on Mary. We don't know if that was correct at that point of time.
Maybe it isn't. When Magnussen is at 221 B he reads John's pressure points and there is Mary mentioned being his wife. There is no mention of a file about Mary. This is unusual because he has files about almost everybody. Sherlock confirmed that to John later. Even Redbeard. This is a strong indication towards the point that Magnussen believed in Mary's false name and that there were no information about Mary's past (yet).

Maybe Mary was in the bedroom for another reason. Or she was freelancing. For a client?  For a friend? Janine?
It is possible that Mary wanted to find and extract information about a client who was also blackmailed by CAM. That's why he was on his knees and they talked about something when Sherlock came in.
If she just wanted to kill CAM and do an assassination it would be much easier without this much trouble to break through so many security chains. I think it is very likely that she wanted to get a file or some proof to stop further blackmail. We can only guess about whom.

Be wrote:

Of course we don't exactly know why Mary was in Magnussen's bedroom.
Sherlock assumed that Magnussen had something on Mary. We don't know if that was correct at that point of time.
Maybe it isn't. When Magnussen is at 221 B he reads John's pressure points and there is Mary mentioned being his wife. There is no mention of a file about Mary. This is unusual because he has files about almost everybody. Sherlock confirmed that to John later. Even Redbeard. This is a strong indication towards the point that Magnussen believed in Mary's false name and that there were no information about Mary's past (yet).

Maybe Mary was in the bedroom for another reason. Or she was freelancing. For a client?  For a friend? Janine?
It is possible that Mary wanted to find and extract information about a client who was also blackmailed by CAM. That's why he was on his knees and they talked about something when Sherlock came in.
If she just wanted to kill CAM and do an assassination it would be much easier without this much trouble to break through so many security chains. I think it is very likely that she wanted to get a file or some proof to stop further blackmail. We can only guess about whom.

Why should Mary knock Janine unconscious if Janine was her client? Why should Mary shoot Sherlock at all if she was there on behalf of a client? I mean, on the whole, if you are there on behalf of someone else why shoot your husband's best friend? He'd just offered to help her; why not accept his help?

It doesn't make sense.
 

We don't know who knocked Janine out either and why. Could have been the other guy. Mary could have knocked her out or pretended too because she was not supposed to draw attention towards her.
Why shoot Sherlock at all? Why not accept his help with her problems? That doesn't make sense either. Sherlock assumed she was there because of that thing she ran away from. Her past.
Maybe that's not true.

What I want to say is that there are a lot of possibilities. Sherlock could probably tell you how many.
P.S. And that would also solve our problem with Mary and the coded message. If CAM didn't know that Mary was capable to read the code it makes perfect sense to send it to her. CAM possibly expected that she was in need of an expert to decode it. If CAM knew her skills in decoding CAM couldn't predict that Mary would see Sherlock. On the contrary. She'd go to the church herself.

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Where exactly? I just tell everybody that they shouldn't be biased.