"For example, in the scene where Sherlock has a whole packet of cigarettes in his mouth. Sherlock smoking is never a good sign (as we know from SIB). He knows it's not good - in TEH he even says to Lestrade "these things will kill you". So the Drama Queen probably thinks he's demonstrating in a highly dramatic way that he's going to go to waste if John doesn't pay attention to him. And John is still ignoring him.
While John probably thinks, Oh this crazy detective. Now he's stuffed his mouth full of cigarettes. Well, he's always been a bit weird. But I'm glad he's back. John just doesn't get what's going on."

This scene acatually took place in a flash back to the very early days of John living with Sherlock.

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but when Sherlock asks Mycroft for a moment, John gives a big sigh.

It looks to me as if he's trying to keep his emotions in check. That's the way I was acting throughout the episode, heaving big breaths and trying not to go into hysterics.

Last edited by MahnSherlolly03 (February 12, 2014 6:43 pm)

And, of course, the point where John was unwilling to admit that he had no input into choosing the name of his child because Mary had forbidden it; I have to say that was the point where I finally gave up on him...

Mary just said he couldn't choose the name on his own.
 

Ozma wrote:

yes. But that He would choose her over Sherlock is hardly a betrayal – he is married after all and therefore has got to live with her. Not much choice there. Even IF he didn’t love her, unless he wanted a divorce he would still need to live with her.
I find it quite interesting instead that, according to Bill’s deduction at the beginning, John is feeling restless already in his married life and has a suitcase ready? That is telling – possibly of how much he misses his buddy.
I guess this has changed now seeing as Mary has revealed herself to be quite interesting in terms of adrenaline and thrills…

I keep reading this bit about the suitcase on this site and a sign he's restless with Mary.

Bills deduction regarding the shirt merely was that he bikes to work now. He keeps his clothes folded - ready to pack - because he dresses for work at work (I believe he deduced showers there as well)

Because he bike rides to work - who wants a sweaty doctor? His clothes are folded to pack for work not to run out on Mary in the middle of the night.

However he is restless without action and cases- his addiction. Which is why he bike rides probably or over eats?  They mention the weight gain , maybe drinks?

He's trying to burn off the anxious energy (or the lbs from the boredom eating or drinking) bc he's addicted to thrill.

He's not unhappy with Mary he just misses "cluing for looks"

Which is also partly why he's so pissed when he finds sherlock- he's been left out of a mission.

I'm really unsure about both John and Mary at the moment, and what's going on with them.
When she says to John that if he reads the file, he won't love her any more, it seems at face value that she means it, but equally she could be manipulating him - playing on his emotions so that he doesn't read it.

Equally, their reunion scene seemed touching and real, but there's still the possibility that John didn't burn the real memory stick.

Certainly, when Magnussen was threatening her and talking about what he knew, John looked very emotional, so at this stage he does SEEM to still be in love with her.

Last edited by Tinks (February 13, 2014 8:35 am)

I think Mary's on really shaky ground. I don't think she really knows what she's doing. She should have known better than to:
keep her stupid assassian outfit
wear claire-de-la-lun on the day she might have to go kill CAM
try to do any of that crap while she was pregnant
shoot Sherlock (at least in the place that she shot him)
try to intimidate Sherlock

I mean, gosh, Mary. I thought you were meant to be clever.

John issues an order, Mary refuses, John backs off. "Not a chance" is not an order.

Willow wrote:

The dialogue is John says 'I get to choose the baby's name', to which Mary says 'Not a chance', followed by John saying 'OK'.

I really don't see how that can be construed as anything other than Mary issuing an order followed by John immediately complying with her demand.

It means he doesn't get to choose the name singularly. She doesn't say they can't both decide on it, that she's the one who will choose and he gets no input.

People are just out for her at this point 😆

MahnSherlolly03 wrote:

I think Mary's on really shaky ground. I don't think she really knows what she's doing. She should have known better than to:
keep her stupid assassian outfit
wear claire-de-la-lun on the day she might have to go kill CAM
try to do any of that crap while she was pregnant
shoot Sherlock (at least in the place that she shot him)
try to intimidate Sherlock

I mean, gosh, Mary. I thought you were meant to be clever.

Sorry I feel like I need to defend Mary a bit here:
-She probably held onto her assassian gear in case someone from her past caught up with her... or she just popped down to the local army depot store.
-She more than likely worked that morning so would have worn the perfume then. After you wear perfume long enough you don't really smell it on yourself but other people can still smell it on you.
-She was scared that John would find out the truth so she felt like she had to other choice but to break into CAM's office. Also being pregnant isn't debilitating (especially in the early stages) so it wouldn't have effected her.
-She never planned to kill Sherlock. Just knock him out of the game for a bit. Like Sherlock said - if she killed him then CAM, John would be the main suspect. If she killed Sherlock and just injured CAM that wouldn't stop him releasing what he knew (and remember at this time everyone thought there was phyical evidence rather than mindpalace evidence). Wounding Sherlock and knocking CAM out was her best option at the time.
-Mary knew that Sherlock cared a lot for John so she was banking on Sherlock not wanting to hurt John. Also Sherlock now knew Mary was a trained killer so obviously he had to be careful. She didn't bank on John doing some deductions of his own.

I think she knew what she was doing but she was in a desperate place. She didn't want to lose John, whom she loved greatly, and didn't see any other option if CAM came out with details of her past.