Willow wrote:

SherlocklivesinOH wrote:

I was wondering in that scene why John was shouting AT Sherlock, instead of ripping Mary apart, figuratively or even literally. I always thought John (well, any Watson) had a "hurt Sherlock Holmes and you die" policy.

But I would agree with the premise: there are too many...well, we're throwing the word psychopath around kind of casually...but too many people who have these murderous and violent tendencies (and frankly I'm beginning to think Mycroft is the worst of all.)

I agree that the Baker St scene is one which makes me profoundly uneasy about John, and it is his use of 'psychopath' which colours the rest.

On the other hand, Mycroft has never behaved in a way which suggests that he is murderous or violent. Consider, for example, the plane full of dead passengers in ASIB; a murderous or violent Mycroft could have simply let a plane full of live passengers go down in order to protect the fact that they had broken the code.

He didn't.
 

No, Mycroft doesn't do violence directly. I was thinking of what he is willing to do in his government work...and the fact that he didn't view CAM as that bad.

And I feel like most of Sherlock's "personal" issues revolve around his relationship with Mycroft.


I didn't get the impression that Mr. and Mrs. Holmes did anything to their younger son to make him the way he was...they actually seem like pretty decent people. Although, presumably, they were involved in deciding Redbeard's fate.

Mycroft makes him feel stupid; gets him involved in especially dangerous (international) cases; coaches him not to care about people; and Sherlock gives the impression of acting under Mycroft's direction a lot of the time.
 

Last edited by SherlocklivesinOH (February 9, 2014 1:50 am)

Tinks wrote:

Interesting that this is the only time when Sherlock doesn't autocorrect with the "high functioning sociopath" line.
He just let John take out his frustration and anger on him.

 
Possibly because it's not "are you two both psychopaths?" but "is everyone I ever met a psychopath?" Everyone is a psychopath in some way, you could say. So that's not necessarily something to worry about.

Zatoichi wrote:

Willow wrote:

Tinks wrote:

Interesting that this is the only time when Sherlock doesn't autocorrect with the "high functioning sociopath" line.
He just let John take out his frustration and anger on him.

He was trying not to die at the time; trust me on this one, you really do have to concentrate
 

Ha! Yes, you have. Nearly dying from blood loss is a bit distracting, as every cell in your body screams for water and oxygen (also you start to breathe really heavy after losing some amount, but I was rather thankful they did not make that bit too realistic..)

I didn't get the impression that Mr. and Mrs. Holmes did anything to their younger son to make him the way he was...they actually seem like pretty decent people. Although, presumably, they were involved in deciding Redbeard's fate.

Mycroft makes him feel stupid; gets him involved in especially dangerous (international) cases; coaches him not to care about people; and Sherlock gives the impression of acting under Mycroft's direction a lot of the time.

This is getting a bit off-topic, but I was wondering why his mother did not realize the influence Mycroft had on
Sherlock, and why she didn´t protect him better? How can it be the boys grew up so isolated anyway?

Yes, and this is an inconsistency in the series, imo.
Season 1 and 2 played very much to the idea that Mycroft had been almost a Mother and Father to Sherlock.
Yet in season 3, their parents turn out to be "normal" people, and their Mother apparently gave up a good career to bring them up - although it's not unusual for one sibling to spot and understand "differences" in another sibling that parents might have overlooked or chosen not to see, I suppose.
 

And I have just realised that I should have explained the Holmes Major and Holmes Minor; in tradional English boys schools the boys are addressed by their surnames, not their first names. Since parents usually send their sons to the same school there has to be a way of differentiating them, and thus Major is used for the older boy and Minor for the younger one.

I have faith in the writers to keep us entertained with multi-layered characters be they as mad as Moriarty, gone somewhat nutters as Anderson, or a bit kooky as Mrs.Hudson.  Mycroft, whom I personally adore, is a brilliant control freak. John is a junkie for danger with Sherlock and Mary as his suppliers.  It seems that Greg Lestrate is the only normal one of the bunch.