And he composed the most beautiful piece for irene in S2E1

ancientsgate wrote:

Johnlock forever. Done. Nothing that happens or doesn't happen, whoever comes along or doesn't come along, nothing will ever change the love between those two men. With or without sex, the two of them have the deepest of connections and always will, and to me, that's true Johnlock. *happy sigh*

There were some delicious Johnlock moments in this episode. I could kiss Moffat for writing what he did, not just Sherlock-John interactions but also showing us a more human, more likeable, funnier Sherlock, one who doesn't always come up with answers to every damned thing, seemingly out of the ether. I LIKE this Sherlock way more than any they've shown us up to now, and he and John are just lovely together--  They always were, but now it's....deeper.

The best man speech was totally too long, disjointed, silly and almost stoopid in parts-- like something out of a slapstick vaudeville skit. But at the heart of it, Sherlock's esteeming his friend, using the L word to describe what he felt for him, and then John pushing back his chair and reaching out to hug him, OMG, I cried real tears.

I cried again when Sherlock played the violin while J/M danced.

And when the three of them were discussing the pregnancy, at one point, John reached up and cupped his hand around the back of Sherlock's neck.  It's okay, mate, the three of us will get through this, together....  both of their faces were beautiful pieces of work.

Love, love, love...   it makes the world go 'round, and yes, it comes in all shapes and sizes. Johnlock forever. Done.
 

I could actually imagine John and Mary having an...understanding about Sherlock...that would keep the Johnlock ship from sinking.

Not sure an actual menage a tois with the three of them fits my head canon; but, if we must have Mary, I wouldn't mind Johnlock fan fiction where Mary turns a blind eye or, like SherlockinOH says, there's an understanding.  She's already quite understanding, isn't she? I did love the bit at the wedding, when Sherlock is all jealous of John's attention to Major Sholto (sp?). and Mary says, "Oh Sherlock, neither of us was the first, you know." LOL!  I said it on the Forum in some thread or other that John Watson is the luckiest man in the world.  All his needs are being met, physically, mentally, and emotionally by these two people.  Look at them at the wedding -during pictures, greeting people, the head table - it's always John in the middle between Mary and Sherlock.

As for the dancing, I'm not sure if it's anywhere in canon, but I think, just maybe, that was a tip of the hat to the Guy Ritchie/RDJ/Jude Law film "Game of Shadows" where Holmes and Watson actually dance together at a ball and you learn that Holmes taught Watson how to dance at Baker Street.  I loved that scene - they're waltzing around in each other's arms and no one at this dignified party bats an eye.

tonnaree wrote:

ancientsgate wrote:

SherlocklivesinOH wrote:

I could actually imagine John and Mary having an...understanding about Sherlock...that would keep the Johnlock ship from sinking.

This has been explored in various fanfics, of course. I read one that was so well-done, it actually was enjoyable. I started reading it with trepedation because threesomes don't interest me, but the author was very skilled, loved all three of her characters, and it was okay.  It wasn't about Mary turning a blind eye while John took up with Sherlock, this particular story was about the three of them cohabitating and their relationships being stronger for it. I'm making it sound kinky, but it wasn't.

I know this isn't the fic rec thread, but AG, could you message me a link to that fic?  Pretty Please!

I'd be happy to, if I knew what in heck it was. I read it months ago. I'll take a glance at the Johnlock fan fic thread and see if I can find it, and if I do, I'll let you know.

SherlocklivesinOH wrote:

I confess I wasn't absolutely sure what to make of the "not the first" line, given that we're supposed to believe John was never having sex with Sherlock. So, in his case, first what?

God a'mighty damn, folks -- are we still not clear yet on the sexual orientation of John H. Watson and Sherlock Holmes?

They've beat this dead horse for three damn years and we still have people on this board who want to make the "love" between these two good old boys mean they curl up in bed together and do things to each other that straight guys do with their girl friends!

Sorry, folks, but they DON'T!  They never have, and they never will!

Why am I so sure?  Because John Watson has repeatedly told everybody in London that "I am not gay!"

I believe him.  After all, John met Mary, he dated Mary, he fell in love with Mary, he had sex with Mary, he got Mary pregnant, and then he married her.  If that doesn't prove John is straight, I don't know what does.

Prior to that, Sherlock gazed upon Irene Adler dressed in nothing but high heels and went google-eyed at the sight, demonstrating a strong sexual attraction to this sexy lady.  He ogled her with such devotion that he memorized her measurements!  I knew just what he was feeling . . . because I go gewgaw over sexy ladies just like he did -- especially if they're wearing high hells.

Later Sherlock risked his life to save her in the Middle East, partly because his cell phone made sexy sounds whenever she called him. And later still he visualized her during his mind palace in The Sign of Three -- while she smiled at him seductively before he order her erotic image to leave him alone.

Trust me, ladies and gentlemen, gay men don't have problems like this.  But straight men have them all the time. I should know, because I'm one of them.

So, please stop assuming that these two good friends have any interest in getting inside each other's personal space.  They're friends.  That's it.

I rest my case.

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Bruce Cook wrote:

  Why am I so sure?  Because John Watson has repeatedly told everybody in London that "I am not gay!" 

I personally hope the writers stop writing that line for him and making the actor say it. As you say, enough is enough of that. OK, we get it already. 

And that's why we have our fan fic and fan art, to indulge our fantasies in the privacy of our own heads and hearts. Those who like Johnlock can go there, those who don't can stay away. Nice to have the choice, eh? To stab fan fic and fan art in the heart and tell it all to drop off the face of the earth is artistic censorship at its worse.

But finally, surely you are familiar with the old Shakespearean line from Hamlet, "The lady doth protest too much."  Maybe in your straight-ness you haven't had close gay friends, but my understanding is that there is more than a little flailing around out there on the part of some gay guys, especially when face to face with straight men who have critical attitudes about the gay lifestyle. "No! No, of course I'm not gay! I have a girlfriend, I have a wife, I have six children, look at me! Not gay! Noooooooo!"  And then they're divorced and finally come out of the closet at age 40 or 50 or something.  It DOES happen. In John's case, I have to wonder-- OK, OK.... so he says he's "not gay" over and over and over again-- doth he protest too much?  lol, just playing devil's advocate here. Don't shoot the messenger.

 

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Marva wrote:

Oh it's not only about fantasies. I am actually quite sure that John & Sherlock are very much in love with each other, but have to figure it out. The existence of Mary as John's wife proves exactly nothing.

Matter of opinion, of course. As a dyed-in-the-wool Johnlocker, I'm not sure I even want the writers to go there with them in the actual show. Frankly, I don't trust TPTB to handle it the way I'd want it handled, and to me, it'd be better if it just continued along the same vein it's been doing, and leave the true Johnlock to fan fic and fan art.

And oh yes, I really do think it's all about our fantasies. Absolutely. You might call it something else, but....  we are all having a helluva wonderful time in our own heads about Johnlock, so.... fantasy.

 

Folks, please accept my apologies.  I stepped over the line, and I'm sorry.  I didn't even know what Johnlock meant until it was explained in the post above.  Color me red in the face.

I must confess that I'm impressed by how politely I was corrected.  The dressing down was firm, but not harsh and insulting.  Nobody told me to get my intolerant ass off the board if I didn't like what was going on.  I'm thankful for that.

And just so I won't seem like a hypocrite -- yes, two lovely ladies sharing their pleasure is very nice indeed.  So, I guess I do understand (a little) what the Johnlock thing is all about.

I promise to stop being a bore, a snob, and a prude.

Now, somebody please give me a hug and tell me I'm forgiven.  Preferably one of the ladies.

Bruce Cook wrote:

Folks, please accept my apologies.  I stepped over the line, and I'm sorry.  I didn't even know what Johnlock meant until it was explained in the post above.  Color me red in the face.

I must confess that I'm impressed by how politely I was corrected.  The dressing down was firm, but not harsh and insulting.  Nobody told me to get my intolerant ass off the board if I didn't like what was going on.  I'm thankful for that.

And just so I won't seem like a hypocrite -- yes, two lovely ladies sharing their pleasure is very nice indeed.  So, I guess I do understand (a little) what the Johnlock thing is all about.

I promise to stop being a bore, a snob, and a prude.

Now, somebody please give me a hug and tell me I'm forgiven.  Preferably one of the ladies.

You, sir, are a true gentleman. And you are more than welcome here, amongst the crazy!women who love their Johnlock. Apology accepted, gratefully. When I corrected you about what you'd posted yesterday, I honest to god didn't know how it would be received. *hugs*

 

You are equally welcomed by this female who doesn't Johnlock...well, not for Canon/BBC...only in my head.