Yes John hadn't seen Sherlock in a month..another reason I feel a little eh wht? @John..after he promised things won't change ..on the bench etc.

LightPurple wrote:

silverblaze wrote:

I thought the 'ages' remark referred to Whitney. Like he said to the neighbour she'd better ask Sherlock to investigate than come to him, because he really didn't know where he was, hadn't seen him for ages. 

Yes, he said to Whitney that he hand't seen Sherlock "for ages", which Mary corrected into "one month!" Taking into consideration how VERY keen John was on getting out of the house to do his own little inverstigation in the drug den, and just how generally frustrated he seemed in that scene, I don't doubt that he had started to sorely miss his life with Sherlock, and not having been out on a case with Sherlock for a whole month had, indeed, felt like ages to him. 

Is this intended to fit with the stuff on John's blog, where we have Mary telling John that he's not supposed to be reading his blog when he's on his Sex Holiday?

I agree that it suggests that there is trouble in paradise even before he discovers that Mary is not who he thought she was; I wonder whether John has sensed that something is wrong but doesn't know what it is. I am slowly coming around to the view that despite all the stuff about Mary encouraging their friendship this doesn't seem to be what is happening post (fake) marriage; John himself clearly perceives it as a long time, with Mary protesting that it's only a month. One would think that the three of them would have dinner together post honeymoon; the three of them are, after all, supposed to be really close friends, and Sherlock had saved Sholto's life at the wedding itself, which must have pleased John greatly.

I do think that Sherlock's analysis of why John was attracted to Mary is too glib; John believes that he deliberately chose someone who would not endanger herself, because losing someone you love hurts and he doesn't want to do that again.

Mary was trying very hard to appear normal, and succeeding, and I don't think we can equate adrenaline junkie with someone who is drawn to psychopaths, however much CAM would like to persuade him otherwise. So, all in all it may be that John has reasons of his own for feeling uneasy; it may be that he is picking up vibes which Sherlock missed because Sherlock doesn't live with Mary. And, of course, John hadn't been shot; I suspect that it really doesn't help the deductive process 

Willow wrote:

LightPurple wrote:

Yes, he said to Whitney that he hand't seen Sherlock "for ages", which Mary corrected into "one month!" Taking into consideration how VERY keen John was on getting out of the house to do his own little inverstigation in the drug den, and just how generally frustrated he seemed in that scene, I don't doubt that he had started to sorely miss his life with Sherlock, and not having been out on a case with Sherlock for a whole month had, indeed, felt like ages to him. 

Is this intended to fit with the stuff on John's blog, where we have Mary telling John that he's not supposed to be reading his blog when he's on his Sex Holiday?

I do think that Sherlock's analysis of why John was attracted to Mary is too glib; John believes that he deliberately chose someone who would not endanger herself, because losing someone you love hurts and he doesn't want to do that again.

I haven't read John's blog for quite a while, but will do so after writing this. 

A think you are spot on with this thought. It would make perfect sense for John to consciously look for someone save, someone "normal", because he wouldn't want to go through such an intense experience of loss again. His heartbreaking "but she wasn't supposed to be like that!" in HLV supports this thought. On the other hand, we don't consiously choose who we love and get along with, and I think John's character just seems to be a perfect match for people who don't actually fit into that box of "normalcy", even if they seem to do so at first sight. 
 

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lil wrote:

Yes John hadn't seen Sherlock in a month..another reason I feel a little eh wht? @John..after he promised things won't change ..on the bench etc.

 
That was before any of them knew Mary was pregnant and in my experience becoming a parent changes things a lot more than marriage does. I think the "you can't go/come I'm/you're pregnant" exchange has an underlying truth to it, as well as being funny.

@Clancy yes becoming a parent does change things, but I am pretty sure it doesn't mean you can't go see your friends.

@Doctor heh yea...Sherlocks deductions here wouldnt quite cross over to Ozz would they. Mate Is usual here among younger people....but I think a bit rarer when you get to Mike/Johns age . I see where Sherlocks coming from here tho mate ( happy )

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I hope no poor goldfish was ever in a wine tank!

I think it will be difficult for him to reconcile his dangerous adventures with Sherlock with his idea of becoming a father and a family man. And I suppose he is just in the middle of this process when HLV starts. His dream at the beginning shows that he is not really at peace with his current situation. 

I'd like to come back to that last scene at the airport, because I have to agree with several others here: I never thought that John was being cold towards Sherlock. To me his reaction made total sense, especially when I think back to the train scene in TEH in which John clearly states that he's not good at this kind of stuff - meaning, he's not good at talking about emotions.
Of course there is always something between 'talking too much' and 'saying nothing at all', and I feel that what they gave us with this scene is something that fits right into the middle of those two. You can talk emotions to death, and far too many tv shows do exactly that on a regular basis. So I was hugely relieved that they didn't got for that here. Small gestures, eye contact or the avoidance thereof and not too much talking... perfect. Sherlock and John are standing there together, but I can already feel the loneliness that both of them are bound to feel because of this goodbye. 

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SolarSystem wrote:

I'd like to come back to that last scene at the airport, because I have to agree with several others here: I never thought that John was being cold towards Sherlock. To me his reaction made total sense, especially when I think back to the train scene in TEH in which John clearly states that he's not good at this kind of stuff - meaning, he's not good at talking about emotions.
Of course there is always something between 'talking too much' and 'saying nothing at all', and I feel that what they gave us with this scene is something that fits right into the middle of those two. You can talk emotions to death, and far too many tv shows do exactly that on a regular basis. So I was hugely relieved that they didn't got for that here. Small gestures, eye contact or the avoidance thereof and not too much talking... perfect. Sherlock and John are standing there together, but I can already feel the loneliness that both of them are bound to feel because of this goodbye. 

Totally agreed. Can't say that any better.

Quiet so, and that is what i love martin's acting for!