Mrs. Watson wrote:

I have a question: where has John being living during those months? With Mary or back at Baker Street?

Back in Baker Street, is the assumption...

And this is why I think something will happen to Mary that will make her either find some sort of redemption, or finish what she had started. It's not possible that she just stays that way, playing housewife at home, but likewise I would find it weird if they were to just kill her by accident or illness (basically, randomly).

Maybe she'll leave, for some reason?

I do see your point about Sherlock, and I do think John now sees both of them as similar - they have both betrayed and hurt him, and he took both back but is going to be wary (like he was with Sherlock and still is to some extent, he is going to be the same with Mary).

Well they better get on the same page, if they are about to raise a child...

silverblaze wrote:

Mary will turn out to be an ethical person. I don't think she just killed for money, she judged every situation and only killed the really dangerous ones. Didn't she say she killed people like CAM? No one here is so harsh on Sherlock for killing CAM. Double standard anyone? 

but if that was the case, then why doesn't she want John to read the file?

if all she was doing was ridding the world of baddies, even if that meant murders, she wouldn't have a problem with John seeing it. Especially after she shot Sherlock - she could have said, yes I shot him, but that's not what I usually do, I save the world usually, look!'

Right?

I am not worried about it, at all!
It would be sad and a tragedy and I would dread the effect on John and Sherlock...

belis wrote:

besleybean wrote:

Well they better get on the same page, if they are about to raise a child...

Am I the only person worried that she will die in childbirth? Possibly with the baby.

You're not the only person.

But they would have to include that in a story arc and not make it just random - but I have no doubt whatever they do they'll do it with a good reason.

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Swanpride wrote:

Well, it is not like John is totally okay with the situation. He said himself that he is still angry, will most likely stay angry and that this anger might boil to the surface from time to time - but he wants to be with her. And she is ready to accept this, if he just gives her this chance.

 
I am not sure that John is being entirely truthful in the conversation he has with her before she passes out due to the laced tea; John may not have dumped the original memory stick in the fire, and he may not have Sherlock's blind spot when it comes to motherhood.

Sherlock grew up accepting that his mother had abandoned her career as a mathematician in order to have children; she sacrificed something she was absolutely passionate about for the sake of her children. His reaction to Mary's pregnancy is, I think, greatly influenced by that fact; John may be rather more sceptical. Indeed, John may now be driven by the need to ensure that Mary does not simply disappear, taking his child with her; what other way is there to ensure that it does not happen?

In canon John is a widower. The writing's on the wall for Mrs Watson, methinks,

Ozma wrote:

ok, so I have a few things to say about this:

- I agree that we don't know whether Mycroft knows it was her, everybody can think whatever they want, but frankly what has been said is true that you want it or not - the investigation would start straightaway, and there are just too many details and clues which make it pretty clear there was only ONE person who could have shot him. Again, Mycroft isn't stupid.

To me, though, the fact that Mycroft knows was given away by the scene at the parents' house- with Mummy Holmes going 'If I find out who it is I will go monstrous' and then the camera cuts to Mycroft's face - and his face right then says 'You are bringing them tea right now...'

I continue to think Mary's motives, John's decision to take her back like nothing happened (actually, he thinks it's a 'privilege' to still stay with her!!!) but most of all, Sherlock's efforts to push them back together ABSURD.
The noble thing to do - walk away - was there as an option, but Mary went - oh no, nononono, I finally got married, you ain't taking this away from me! So she stays, and Sherlock not only knows that she has been killing people for money for YEARS, but she has also just promised him she would do ANYTHING (and she proved it) to keep John with him - this anything not meaning she would try to be a better person but, it seems, anything to cover up anything that John might not like. And this is LYING.

The fact that it was done out of love cannot possibly make you think it's ok?? I love Cumberbatch, what am I going to do, go and kill his next girlfriend if she isn't me?? Ah, no, right, I can't because I am not a trained assassin and that's not what I am used to - but if I were it would be fine. WHAT?!

Anyway, Sherlock knows all this, but works very hard to push them back together and basically ensure his best friend stays with a woman who is dangerous. What best friend would do that? Especially when, at the beginning when John found out, he seemed to have pretty much made his mind up about leaving Mary - his moral compass was still working there.

Absurd.

And also, because I can't wrap my head around it - I cannot possibly believe she had no other options but to shoot Sherlock. So let's think: she is standing there, threatening CAM for god knows what reason when she could have just shot him like she had intended to do, and then Sherlock shows up.
If she had said to him, Sherlock, I need your help! that's all it would have needed - surely Sherlock wouldn't have gone - no no, I need to call the police, you bad woman!
He would have kept his mouth shut, even with John, if that was what was needed until the case was resolved. He's done much more than that  in the episode, you can't tell me he wouldn't have.

But no, she doesn't do this - she shoots him. Because he was a witness. Yeah. So, you don't want Sherlock as a witness, but you happily let CAM - and I repeat, CAM! A blackmailer who already has all sort of dirt about you - see that you shot Sherlock, and walk away. REALLY?! CAM IS A PREFERABLE WITNESS?!?
And don't even get me started on the fact that CAM could have told John straightaway if he had wanted to (why didn't he?) - so the 'I shot you so he wouldn't find out' seems like a moot point to me in that context.
I am not saying that she should have shot CAM because then John would have been implied etc, but shooting Sherlock!? To me she deliberately chose the most complicated option.

And I am also hearing that 'she shot Sherlock because otherwise he would have told John'; this, to me, implies she wanted him dead, because surely once he wakes up he sure as hell IS going to tell John then, so that makes your attempt to keep it under wraps useless, anyway. Right?

So many plot flaws, I just can't get my head around it. To me, this was an orchestrated trolling manouvre from Moffat, who wanted us to believe she was going to be out of the picture when actually she wasn't going to be. I love Sherlock but Steve has got to stop making things MAYBE happen, shout wolf when there is none, and start making shit happen FOR REAL.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

Also-- the fact that Mary was there, warning Sherlock not to tell John what she'd done, was a big tip off. This is not a person with anyone's best interests at heart than her own. Sure , she loves John-- in the most most selfish way possible. 

Mouse wrote:

I talked about this a little in another thread, but I think they've basically made Mary into another Sherlock. Here's how I see it:

1. She has sociopathic tendencies (evidenced by the fact that, though she seems fond of Sherlock, she was willing to almost kill him to protect herself; plus, she used Janine to get close to CAM)
2. She loves John deeply - obviously, something about him attracts her
3. John is attracted to her supposedly because she is brilliant and "dangerous"

So is that why Sherlock encouraged John to forgive her? Because he sees Mary as being like himself? "Hey, we're allies...we both love John Watson, we'd both kill and die to protect him. He's ours and we'll share him because we both make him happy, and he'll love and look after both of us and we'll all be happy."

In addition to how twisted this is, I don't want Mary to stay around because I don't want a second Sherlock. I like the one we already have, thank you very much! I liked her in the first two episodes...she seemed like a smart, sensible, funny person, a strong normal woman for a change on the show. I would have been happy to have her stay around if she had been a supporting player like Lestrade, but with her mysterious past and super!spy skills they seem to be setting her up to be a major player, and frankly I'm not much interested in "The Sherlock, John and Mary Show."

this is EXACTLY how I feel.

Thank you.