I think they are both wonderful too!  I respect their social conservatism re Johnlock - the last two episodes have shown me that the bromance is both compelling and beautiful in itself (just not as groundbreaking as I would like, but hey you can't have everything).

You are probably right BB.  That's why John's marriage to Mary is such a Johnlock killer.  I think when it was the two of them living together in Baker st, Johnlock could be a plausible modern reinterpretation of canon.  But if you put Mary in the picture, and assume John has a fulfilling, happy marriage with her- it  excludes this possiblility.  The only Johnlock pathway left is having Sherlock pining for John which would just be completely silly and out of character (although I like to think of it as a kind of subconscious subtext in Sherlock's head/heart)

Last edited by NotYourHousekeeperDear (January 6, 2014 9:37 pm)

Well I personally think Mary is gonna kick the bucket and the boys will both be back in Baker Street.
But it will still be bromance and not romance.

Poor old John.  If that happens he is going to need some bromance to get him through...

Most of the creator's attitudes to these things come from adapting stories written in a very conservative time. The fact that they're making injokes about Johnlock is as close as it's going to get. If ACD was writing the stories now, maybe we would see a different relationships, but he was writing them at a time when homosexuality was unquestionably not acceptable. Mark & Steven have to respect that if they're going to stay as true to the spirit of the canon as they can.

As someone has said, it's unfair to judge a show creator or author based on the opinions of any of their characters when they are writing complex characters that are human. It doesn't mean those opinions are their own. The same applies to the question of homosexuality. Just because Mark is gay doesn't mean he's going to chuck the canon just to pursue some kind of personal gay representation agenda, if he even has such an agenda.

I know several men from Mark's generation who are gay and they had to learn to 'act straight' in order to get through in life, even if they are openly gay now. It creates an attitude and a value system that is different from the new generation who have grown up accepting homosexuality and gender identity differences as the norm. 

You really need to keep things in perspective a bit guys ;-)

We may be wandering off topic here.
But ok, 2 points:
Well, to begin with, I think we may need to separate the personal from the professional.
1. Yes, I too have both heard and read Mark's commnets on bisexuality and tho I kind of disagree with him, I do know what he means.
2.  The only constraints on the BBC Sherlock team are  the laws of the land and the rules of scheduling.
But I don;t think in terms of sex, they have ever felt constrained by either of those.
Quite simply because BBC Sherlock has nothing to do with sex.

Last edited by besleybean (January 7, 2014 5:48 pm)

I like Mary,  but my personal and I do mean personal quibble is her hair.
Sorry, but I'm an'80s American, and I just want to fluff her hair a bit. It doesn't need to be big hair,  just not 1920's flapper slicked down.

I think the hair suits her face.  She's very pixieish. 

I'm used to people moaning  about their clothes! 

NotYourHousekeeperDear wrote:

butterfly grl wrote:

I like Mary, but my personal and I do mean personal quibble is her hair.
Sorry, but I'm an'80s American, and I just want to fluff her hair a bit. It doesn't need to be big hair, just not 1920's flapper slicked down.

 
Oh if only the battle for John's affections could be settled by a hair styling contest- Sherlock would win hands down... sigh...

 
How true is that, NotYour! Perfect!