Time went so fast! 


Okay... I'm off... my sleepy pills are kicking in... and I know I need a rewatch before I can go into any more details!

See you in the morning! 



Also... I LOVED Hudder's music taste! 

Vhanja wrote:

Oh, thanks for that article - even better. It showed Sherlock what an amazing brain without heart or emotions really ends up at. 

I have to say I was completely engulfed in the story. I was shocked when I looked at the clock and saw that the episode was almost over, I had no idea where the time had gone. 

Edit: Oh, and Mrs Hudson listening to Iron Maiden! I will love it to the end of my days!

You are welcome I hope that means something...

Haha yeah had the same thing with the clock xD 
 

Oh, and Sherlock declaring himself a pirate - just gold!

I am starting to understand "insane wish-fulfilment" They just put every possible fanboy reference and intense stuff into this season and the finale in particular. Love it!

WhoIWantToBe wrote:

^ yup, I am in agreement Swanpride and ewige.

Liberty wrote:

Irene - for me it was because of what Eurus said - about you don't understand Bach - "play you".  And apparently you/Sherlock is romantic yearning.   And I'm glad that's just as far as it went.   But I like the idea of Sherlock having those romantic feelings and secretly seeing them as what he is. 

"No, not Bach you clearly don't understand it play you"
"Me?"
"You."
*two notes played*
"Ooh, have you had sex?"
"Why do you ask?"
"The music. *I've* had sex."
"Oh."
"One of the nurses got careless I liked it it was messy people are so breakable."
"I take it he didn't consent."
"He?!"
"She?"
"''Fraid I didn't notice in the heat of the moment and afterwards, well. You couldn't really tell. Is that vibrato or is your hand shaking?"

Jesus. 

I tried to answer this and my post went into the ether, but of course the "two notes" were Irene's theme!  I know it's not that obvious, especially if people haven't heard it since 2012!  Funny that Eurus gets it right away.

Yes, Eurus was creepy in that scene - very Silence of the Lambs. 

Swanpride wrote:

(this refers to the article which was linked in the other discussion)

Well, so much for there not being a series 5...

I don't think that the whole "only brain" thing makes any sense in the context of the story they represented, because Euros was pure emotion. She killed the little boy because, well, basically because she was jealous. She was obsessed with Sherlock out of a mixture of anger and the desire for love...her whole motivation is pure emotion.  

Good point.  And I think Sherlock understands that at the end.

Punch me in the face wrote:

Liberty wrote:

Punch me in the face wrote:

​First thing that crosses my mind right now is that I am in Mycroft's Heaven! He's always been my favourite character and he was wonderful in that episode! I could write a whole essay! But not right now! When he started provoking Sherlock and saying all those bads things about John, I was sure he was only doing that to make Sherlock shoot him. That was so terribly touching! Of course, you have a heart underneath all that, Mycroft!

And he showed it more than once! (he was disgusted by all those killings. When he's not supposed to do sentiments!)

​And Sherlock who'd rather kill himself than kill his brother...

​That episode was brotherly love at its best! I LOVED ALL OF IT!!! And I love Mycroft even more than I've ever had!!!

​(I felt bad when Mummy Holmes was --understandably-- mad at Mycroft, but at the end, I think I saw her put her hand on his lap??? )

I loved that last little bit! It looked to me as if she reached over to hold his hand!  After we'd found that it was Sherlock who was always the grown-up. 
 

​Yes! (and it's even better if she was reaching for his hand. I felt so bad for him. All he's ever done, or at least, tried to do, is to protect Sherlock --and by extension, other people too concerning Eurus, as she was a danger for anyone-- He's always tried his best.) And Sherlock the grown-up. Who would have thought? ​ Coud this have something to do with the "I upset her? it wasn't me that upset her, Mycroft!" ?
 

Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that line!  And I watched again, and she definitely holds his hand.  So sweet!

I'd wondered if Mycroft was going to be a baddie in this episode, and I'm so glad he wasn't.  I loved seeing his softer side.  As you say, his motivation, his pressure point, is protecting his little brother.   And of course, he kind of protects his sister too, or tries to (although maybe a bad decision to use her intellect - still, I suppose it saved lives).   This was really Mycroft's episode. 
 

ewige wrote:

Liberty wrote:

I tried to answer this and my post went into the ether, but of course the "two notes" were Irene's theme!  I know it's not that obvious, especially if people haven't heard it since 2012!  Funny that Eurus gets it right away.

Yes, Eurus was creepy in that scene - very Silence of the Lambs. 

Ha! I have the Irene Theme playing on repeat in my car all the time, I've recognized it immediately too!
And I too thought about SoL *creepy* but I thought that scene - no glass! - was perfectly written and executed!

I guessed that there was no glass!  Yes, it was brilliant.  I loved Sian in this episode - my only complaint would be that I loved her other personas in the previous episodes and would like to have seen more of that - so clever!   And I'd like to have seen her verbally manipulating people more (rather than just "I'll kill x unless you do y").  I got very excited about that, and it didn't quite pay off in the way I hoped. 
 

I will leave my dissecting until later, But if this is the end, it ended as I always hoped it would.

Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson in 221B Baker Street, solving crimes.

What more can I ask for?

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Liberty wrote:

ewige wrote:

Liberty wrote:

I tried to answer this and my post went into the ether, but of course the "two notes" were Irene's theme!  I know it's not that obvious, especially if people haven't heard it since 2012!  Funny that Eurus gets it right away.

Yes, Eurus was creepy in that scene - very Silence of the Lambs. 

Ha! I have the Irene Theme playing on repeat in my car all the time, I've recognized it immediately too!
And I too thought about SoL *creepy* but I thought that scene - no glass! - was perfectly written and executed!

I guessed that there was no glass!  Yes, it was brilliant.  I loved Sian in this episode - my only complaint would be that I loved her other personas in the previous episodes and would like to have seen more of that - so clever!   And I'd like to have seen her verbally manipulating people more (rather than just "I'll kill x unless you do y").  I got very excited about that, and it didn't quite pay off in the way I hoped. 
 

I think Eurus knew that she couldn't mind control Sherlock & Mycroft in the same way she could ordinary people.

WhoIWantToBe wrote:

Liberty wrote:

I tried to answer this and my post went into the ether, but of course the "two notes" were Irene's theme!  I know it's not that obvious, especially if people haven't heard it since 2012!  Funny that Eurus gets it right away.

Yes, Eurus was creepy in that scene - very Silence of the Lambs. 

Oh, I did understand that, I should clarify my reaction was more horror about a conversation (See the dialogue I quoted) where it is rather explicitly stated she raped a nurse but considered it 'sex'. She either couldn't remember the gender of the nurse or whether they consented, in the context of that dialogue. It was hair raising, and then her question about whether his hand was shaking. 

No really I am trying to understand why the writer's felt the need to write this in. 

I think maybe two things - showing that what Sherlock is, how he sees himself, is romantic yearning.  And also that Eurus is the complete opposite of that, and to show just how unhinged and dangerous she is.