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July 26, 2016 6:35 am  #3061


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

It would certainly be a big twist.   I do feel S3 Sherlock has to be the same person as S1/2.  We're supposed to see an evolving character, aren't we?   And Sherlock's sadness at the end of TSOT seems to show that he is the Sherlock who has been with John all along. 

 

July 26, 2016 6:37 am  #3062


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

That has been a theory lurking at the back of my head for over a year... I'm not sure I would like it to be real... it would make series 3 mean nothing... 

But I have been thinking about it, a lot. "Time to go be Sherlock Holmes"... that is one I keep coming back to 


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July 26, 2016 7:02 am  #3063


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Interesting theories all around.
But is there something in AA´s interview (I didn´t yet see it) indicating that the "groundbreaking thing" must neccessarily be connected with Sherlock´s family and relations?
What if it´s something else entirely?

- Mary is revealed as a true Sherlock Holmes
- Dr. Who crossover
- Mrs. Hudson turns to be a ninja

etc.?


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July 26, 2016 7:04 am  #3064


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

Chortle.


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July 26, 2016 7:08 am  #3065


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

OK, I've had a very quick look at Young Sherlock Holmes.  Oh, my word! I skipped to the end and it turns out that the baddie's assassin is his sister!  Sherlock's girlfriend/love interest is killed on the case, and he swears to spend his life alone!  Of course, lots of other things that fit with our Sherlock as well because there are references to canon, but those two jumped out at me.   I'm sure I've seen this film before, but years ago, and I'm very confident that Moftiss will have seen it.   I've never been a fan of Sherlock having a love interest in the current time, but wouldn't rule out him having had one as a teenager/child - there is that "Redbeard" hint in TAB after he talks about choosing to be alone.   Benedict, in that recent SDCC clip said that he does it to be a better detective, but I think there are hints of loss as well - Benedict also said something about him having very little sexual experience, doesn't he?  Which maybe implies that he had some in the past.   And some people thought the lady in red was the ghost of somebody from the past - a love interest?   Just a possibility!

 

July 26, 2016 7:11 am  #3066


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I do hope not...
Yes I saw Young Sherlock Holmes, but hardly remember anything about it.


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July 26, 2016 7:17 am  #3067


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Same here, Besleybean. It obviously didn't make a big impression.  But those two things rang a bell - mystery assassin who turns out to be a sister, and Sherlock choosing to be alone because of a loss early in life.  Oh, and the hallucinogens as well!
 

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July 26, 2016 7:21 am  #3068


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

Uhm, but would it be "groundbreaking" if they just copied Young SH?
Killing the character, family reveal in the "Luke I´m your father" style, adapting older SH pastiches... it´s been all done before therefore I would not categorise it as very "groundbreaking", to be honest.


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July 26, 2016 7:27 am  #3069


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

nakahara, I guess it won't be a Doctor Who crossover, because Moffat said that everyone (except for him) is against it. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png


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July 26, 2016 7:29 am  #3070


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Oh, so he was toying with the idea for some time.... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png


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July 26, 2016 7:32 am  #3071


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

I loved Young Sherlock Holmes. Saw it in the theater. It's actually worth the watch. 

 

July 26, 2016 7:38 am  #3072


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Oh, I don't mean copying it, but perhaps referencing it, or using it as an influence even unconsciously.   And not everything in S4 has to be "groundbreaking", does it? 

I even suggested in the other thread that "groundbreaking" and "making television history" might not be what we're thinking at all, and might be something broader.   Thinking of events in television/broadcasting history what first sprung to mind for me was War of the Worlds, when supposedly some people actually believed the broadcast was real.   That's more the sort of thing that comes to mind in terms of making television history.

(There's an article here about War of the Worlds, saying that there wasn't the mass hysteria which has always been associated with it, and that Janet Jackson's nipple was a bigger event.   But still ... it's part of broadcasting history! http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/history/2013/10/orson_welles_war_of_the_worlds_panic_myth_the_infamous_radio_broadcast_did.html )

 

July 26, 2016 7:44 am  #3073


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nakahara wrote:

Oh, so he was toying with the idea for some time.... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png

I guess it's only logical if you're the runner of two such successful shows. I'd still love to see it happening, but I'd say that time is running out.
 


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July 26, 2016 7:57 am  #3074


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

I loved Young Sherlock Holmes. Saw it in the theater. It's actually worth the watch. 

Thanks!  Well, just because I don't remember it well doesn't mean it wasn't good.  I'll look forward to watching it properly.   I have a soft spot for '80s teen films. 
 

 

July 26, 2016 12:47 pm  #3075


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

I've also always loved Young Sherlock Holmes.  It's a delightful movie and very well cast.  At the time it was released it's special effects were groundbreaking.  First major use of cgi in a film.

Wanted to point something out though just for the record.  In this film the assassin turns out to be Moriarty's sister!  Now, this I would like.  I do like the idea that Mary is somehow related to Moriarty and/or is Moran.


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July 26, 2016 1:25 pm  #3076


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Oh, I was thinking of Mary when I mentioned the assassin sister, Tonnaree!  It just seems to tie in so well with what we'd been talking about here - she's even described by the word "assassin", just as Mary is.  It would certainly solve the mystery of "you won't love me"! 

I've just watched snippets now, but looking forward to seeing the whole thing (again!). 

 

July 26, 2016 2:23 pm  #3077


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

So, I wonder if the big scene is filming at the moment.  They said there was a really big scene on Tuesday, I think with Sherlock, John and Mycroft.  Not sure why I'm posting this as we don't know anything about it, but I'm excited thinking of it being filmed!

 

July 26, 2016 4:10 pm  #3078


Re: Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

I don't remember too well, but the assassin was the sister of the guy with the ring on the right ring finger, right? like Mycroft.
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July 26, 2016 4:19 pm  #3079


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I am wondering about the scene today too *Gulp* 


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July 26, 2016 5:28 pm  #3080


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Yes, that's the one, Ho Yay.   Except right at the end, he turns out to have survived and to have turned into Moriarty (if it's OK to spoil a 1985 film!).  There's a reason for the ring being on the right hand.  I wonder if Mycroft's ring is referencing that?

I'm watching it now and noticing loads of things in common - obviously because some things are taken from canon, but I wonder if there is an influence, especially if hallucinatory drugs are going to feature.   For instance there's a little scene where Holmes is injured with a little mark on his cheek, and the school nurse (who turns out to be more than she seems!) kisses his cheek, so like ASIB!   Anyway, I saw this quote from Chris Columbus on IMDB:

The thing that was most important to me was why Holmes became so cold and calculating, and why he was alone for the rest of his life . . . That's why he is so emotional in the film; as a youngster, he was ruled by emotion, he fell in love with the love of his life, and as a result of what happens in this film, he becomes the person he was later.

This is the kind of thing that Moftiss would do, or Moffat in particular, I think.   They could already be doing it - and perhaps the one he fell in love with back then was Redbeard (I mean literally, the dog).   The film shows Holmes finding that emotion puts him at a disadvantage, being heartbroken and deciding to be alone.  In Sherlock we're seeing the journey away from that "machine" that he's created years ago, but I wonder if there will be more about why and how he created himself in the first place.  "I made me".  Because we already know that he's deeply emotional and not a machine at all! 

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