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January 6, 2016 9:13 am  #501


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Bruce Cook wrote:

So, what did Sherlock’s drug-assisted mind palace teach him?  (And us.)  Quite a lot, actually.  Such as:
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If someone blows their brains out, they’re definitely dead.

If someone is not dead, they definitely did not blow their brains out.

Dead people don’t rise from the grave to commit murder.

Living people can use deception to get away with murder.

Smart people don’t kill themselves when a fake suicide works better to accomplish their goal.
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That was very interesting, but you forgot one important point there:

Sherlock also learned:

If someone blows his brain out and is definitely dead, he can "live on" through other people.
(All the brides...........)

So Jim can be still alive, although he is actually dead. 

I still don't believe in another faked suicide. Especially after the Special. 



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January 6, 2016 11:32 am  #502


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Bruce Cook wrote:

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Dead people don’t rise from the grave to commit murder.
Living people can use deception to get away with murder. 

While dead people indeed do not rise from the grave to do anything, good, bad or indifferent, someone like Moriarty could certainly have set things in motion (paid his cohorts) to carry out various crimes after his death, if need be. Whether or not M. had planned to actually do away with himself that day, up on the roof of St. Bart's, he still could have left plans behind, you know, "in the event of my demise, do this, this and this, to this one, that one and the other one."  I wouldn't put it past him.

So anyway, whether or not he's dead, or if someone else is carrying forward with his plans, the writers can still bring the character back, hire the wonderful Andrew Scott to play him, etc, anytime in the future. Anything can continue to happen in Sherlock's mind palace or any other character's imagination or in some kind of prequel or something.
 

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January 6, 2016 11:34 am  #503


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Here's hoping!


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January 6, 2016 11:36 am  #504


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Lilythiell wrote:

I know it is a stupid question...but do you think that it was on purpose that Mofftiss titled their episode "Sherlock: The Abominable Bride" so its acronym would be STAB -accurate definition of what happened after we've seen it : stab through the hard.

I don't think anyone in charge of anything for Sherlock does things that are not on purpose.  And they do like to get the fandom all abuzz and running in a hundred different directions, analyzing everything and speculating about everything.
 

 

January 6, 2016 11:38 am  #505


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

I know, but not sure if the use acronyms like we do!


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January 6, 2016 11:42 am  #506


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

SolarSystem wrote:

   Still, I have to say that I don't really want to find out in S4 that Sherlock and Jim both faked their deaths. Because what would this mean? To me it would mean that everything we see in the show is totally arbitrary and that Mofftiss don't stick to anything and just change things around whenever they feel like it (and probably give a smartass comment like "Oh, don't tell us you didn't see this coming...?! It was so obvious and we lie all the time anyway!"). And I know it's true, they lie all the time... but it feels a bit as if sometimes that's a comfortable excuse for pretty much anything they do.

I doubt that it's that extreme. A show of that magnitude (with that much money at stake) would undoubtedly have at least a rough plan [working script outline] going through S4 and even perhaps into S5. I think the writers do everything they do quite deliberately.  All of that is theirs to know, and for us to find out!

 

 

January 6, 2016 11:48 am  #507


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

besleybean wrote:

I know, but not sure if the use acronyms like we do!

Not sure either, but they would surmise (got to stop doing that) our reaction, wouldn't they?

Anyway, I'll keep calling it STAB -and not just TAB- because it is SO bloody fitting.


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January 6, 2016 11:49 am  #508


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

It is indeed.


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January 6, 2016 6:23 pm  #509


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Not sure where to post this but here seems a general TAB thread .

Sherlock finds a mysterious note on the body ( of Sir Eustace ) the brown card that says miss me .  A message from a dead man , easy enough to connect that with Moriarty miss me message. Later Mycroft also holds up the card .
Might one say this is a kind of victorian calling card ?
It turns out that folding or snipping a corner of the card had meaning.Look at the brown card snipped top left in a curve , meaning a social call , and bottom left , meaning goodbye I may be off on a trip .A message from the person who sent the miss me messages maybe ?

Details on victorian calling cards at the lower half of this page .

http://avictorian.com/social_rituals.html

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January 6, 2016 6:24 pm  #510


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

I just had a squealing moment. I just saw the advert for the episode on Danish TV! They're showing it on Sunday. 

only one thing... I hate the Danish translation for the title... I don't know what else they could have called it though


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January 6, 2016 7:02 pm  #511


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Please let us know in this thread, too 
http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=5428


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January 6, 2016 7:16 pm  #512


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

This Is The Phantom Lady wrote:

I just had a squealing moment. I just saw the advert for the episode on Danish TV! They're showing it on Sunday. only one thing... I hate the Danish translation for the title... I don't know what else they could have called it though

What is the Danish translation for the title?
 

 

January 6, 2016 7:19 pm  #513


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)


Eventually everyone will support Johnlock.   Independent OSAJ Affiliate

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January 6, 2016 7:36 pm  #514


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Mothonthemantel wrote:

Not sure where to post this but here seems a general TAB thread .

Sherlock finds a mysterious note on the body ( of Sir Eustace ) the brown card that says miss me . A message from a dead man , easy enough to connect that with Moriarty miss me message. Later Mycroft also holds up the card .
Might one say this is a kind of victorian calling card ?

Don't think so. It looked more like a tag used to price something with a hole to attach a string. Or maybe a tag from the morgue...

 

January 6, 2016 7:37 pm  #515


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Though I do think I remember it being clipped.


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January 6, 2016 7:46 pm  #516


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Hi JP yes it did . But Mycroft did hold it up oddly.


"Man may not be degraded  to being a machine by being denied to be a ghost in the machine."
It's just transport. The virus in the hard drive . However impossible .Must be the truth.
 

January 6, 2016 7:47 pm  #517


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Wasn't that just to taunt Sherlock?!


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January 6, 2016 7:49 pm  #518


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

It looked a bit like the card you'd put on the toe of a corpse in a morgue... 


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January 6, 2016 7:52 pm  #519


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Indeed.


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January 6, 2016 7:55 pm  #520


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Yes . But there were 2 cards . The black one behind it also.


"Man may not be degraded  to being a machine by being denied to be a ghost in the machine."
It's just transport. The virus in the hard drive . However impossible .Must be the truth.
 

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