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November 26, 2015 6:39 am  #141


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

Quite.


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November 26, 2015 9:29 am  #142


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

besleybean wrote:

I think he's trying to make a serious point in a humorous way and yes it is humour: black humour...very British.
 

Just briefly coming back to that statement in Martin's interview .
My english friend also doesn't think that it is funny. So the awareness of "that British humour" differs in the own country. It can't be generalised. Everytime something like this becomes a topic in here I get the impression that the "poor people  from the continent just don't understand."
Sorry for the ongoing off-topic.
 


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November 26, 2015 2:37 pm  #143


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

I read the entire interview and nothing really bothered me.  But then again, I met my husband at a website named "Smartasses Online."   http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png


TOPIC!

We are getting a very special epsidoe of Sherlock soon.  What do you suppose it's about?!?!?

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November 26, 2015 2:42 pm  #144


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

I hope this is considered on-topic, as it's about the characters:

I like what Maritn said about not being interested in playing a character that was only there to be in awe of another character. John is a strong and impressive man by himself, he's only "over-shadowed" because his best friend is even more awesome and intelligent than he is. And I think that comes across, that John is an interesting and nuanced character in himself, he's not just there to be a stupid contrast to Sherlock's brilliance.


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November 26, 2015 3:18 pm  #145


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

In "our" BBC Show John Watson acts different to many other adaptions where he only is a bit stupid companion of Sherlock Holmes. Martin's John is a strong character, absolutely able to match with Sherlock.

To the story: I am really curious how they are going to solve the ghost thing.

 


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November 26, 2015 3:24 pm  #146


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

I agree. This John Watson is something new. Jude Law was more of a partner than a bumbling sidekick but Martin is still more of an individual character with a history and issues of his own. 

Well, it would not be the first time in Sherlock that a character comes back from the dead. And I love how the bride is a combination of Moriarty and Mary and probably something we do not yet know. 


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November 26, 2015 9:39 pm  #147


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

To be honest, I have yet to find any screen adaptation of SH stories that would portray John Watson as merely a bumbling sidekick to Sherlock. I read pastiches like that, but movies or TV series usually treated John as a strong character. Even Nigel Bruce who is villified for having made this character a farce actually managed to made him very loyal, very brave and very caring. Modern Watsons like Jude Law or Ian Hart were incredibly BAMFy, so no useless sidekicks there either...

Martin´s John is maybe unique because he is the "best of all worlds"... we know his backstory, so we can sympathise with him, he is sassy, BAMFy, but also kind and compassionate... he has also some dark undercurrents in his psyche... very interesting character indeed.


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November 26, 2015 10:16 pm  #148


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

Not to mention symptoms of trauma, if not actual PSTD--a psychosomatic limp, nightmares about the war, symptoms of depression, etc.  Plus an intermittent tremor in his left hand, although that might have been caused by nerve damage instead of emotional trauma.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if BBC Sherlock's John Watson also had flashbacks about the war.

What about the Dr. Watson on the Granada series?
 

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November 26, 2015 10:20 pm  #149


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

David Burke was a more comical Watson, but very sympathetic and warmhearted, while Edward Harwicke was serious, supportive rock on which the wind-torn Holmes could lean, almost ideal embodiment of Watson... just maybe a bit too quiet. 


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November 26, 2015 11:34 pm  #150


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

Imagine what would happen if the Granada Holmes and Watson and the BBC Sherlock and John could be brought together--what a team the four of them would make! =)
 

 

November 26, 2015 11:36 pm  #151


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

I´m afraid two Sherlocks would eat each other alive. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/lol.png


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November 27, 2015 2:25 am  #152


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

lol They'd probably be always trying to one-up the other in cleverness.  Could be disastrous, or they'd just be at their peak observational skills trying so hard to be best.


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November 27, 2015 4:38 am  #153


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

Vhanja wrote:

Also,Moftiss talks about a question John asks Sherlock that he thinks is one of his favorite scenes of the special, and something he always wanted asked. I believe that question is: "What made you like this?" 

What do you guys think?

 
I think there's a good chance that is the question Moffat was talking about. It's an interesting question, but will we get any more of an answer than "Nobody made me. I made me"?


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November 27, 2015 4:56 am  #154


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Yes, I'm very curious about the question, why John's asking it, what the full answer will be, what it will all mean.  It's not the kind of thing I ever really expected to come up, but now that it's out there I am very interested in what it will mean.


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November 27, 2015 6:55 am  #155


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

I dunno though, cos haven't we already had the answer to that question?
One of the trailers shows Sherlock saying: I made me.


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November 27, 2015 11:28 am  #156


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I agree. It seems a bit odd to hint at something that we already have been given the answer to. So either there is more to the question/answer then what we see in the trailer, or Moftiss were talking about a different question.


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November 27, 2015 3:43 pm  #157


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

Maybe the question is "Will you marry me"???!!!

Ok.
I'll go back to my corner now.  
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November 27, 2015 4:33 pm  #158


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

I agree that the "What made you like this" is a really interesting question for John to be asking.  Yes, we already know Sherlock's response - but what is the context of the question?  Why does John have to ask it? That's the part I'm interested in.  It may be nothing and may already be obvious, because certainly we already know Sherlock is unique, but it really is an interesting question - one we might ask ourselves about someone who behaves badly or is mentally ill. Could be that it's a reflection of TGG when John is angry that Sherlock doesn't seem to care about the victims.


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November 27, 2015 4:37 pm  #159


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I agree. And it is generally one of the most exciting questions in the whole show. We have got only some glimpses about what might have made Sherlock the way he is -  his complicated relationship with Mycroft, the loss of his childhood dog, maybe something about "the other one" as well. So we know that there have been influences that have formed his character and the answer "I made me" might be an evasion or self-protection or whatever. Because I take it that he is not speaking about having made himself the only consulting detective in the world, it seems to go deeper. 


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November 27, 2015 5:11 pm  #160


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I agree with you what you guys say. But then again - if we get some kind of explanation or further information/background on Sherlock in the Special, can that be transferred to the main series? 


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