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April 16, 2015 6:08 pm  #101


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

I kind of agree with both .. I think he's gobsmacked by seeing her naked because he didn't expect her to be so clever.  But later, he's flustered and stumbles over his words trying to attract her attention towards him. 

 

April 16, 2015 6:13 pm  #102


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

Liberty wrote:

I kind of agree with both .. I think he's gobsmacked by seeing her naked because he didn't expect her to be so clever.  But later, he's flustered and stumbles over his words trying to attract her attention towards him. 

 
Of course he does.  Sherlock is an attention whore and must be the center of the room.


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April 16, 2015 6:53 pm  #103


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

tonnaree wrote:

Liberty wrote:

I kind of agree with both .. I think he's gobsmacked by seeing her naked because he didn't expect her to be so clever.  But later, he's flustered and stumbles over his words trying to attract her attention towards him. 

 
Of course he does.  Sherlock is an attention whore and must be the center of the room.

But he doesn't tend to do that with other people - just Irene. 

(Here's a quote from the commentary from http://arianedevere.livejournal.com/
Benedict seems to confirm that the stumbling is deliberate and about Irene in particular:
Benedict: “I do love the only moment [Sherlock] verbally stumbles – and I sort of did it deliberately – was because [he] sensed a bit of competition in Watson starting to turn on the charm, and in trying to desperately get in there to impress you, I went, [he talks gibberish].”)

 

April 16, 2015 8:03 pm  #104


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

tonnaree wrote:

 Can we acknowledge that, regardless of the gender and sexual orientation of the participants, if you're waiting for a meeting with someone you've never met and they walk in naked, you're going to be shocked and flustered.  I don't necessarily see attraction in Sherlock's reaction. ...

That would certainly be normal human behaviour, I agree. But how much of that does Sherlock normally show?

Incidentally, I had originally written "a purely physical reaction" - that's different from attraction in my book!  Though I do believe that there is attraction as well, at some point. (And that could be either sexual attraction, or the attraction of a gay man to her intelligence and determination - as you like.)

 

April 17, 2015 4:28 am  #105


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

Kittyhawk wrote:

tonnaree wrote:

 Can we acknowledge that, regardless of the gender and sexual orientation of the participants, if you're waiting for a meeting with someone you've never met and they walk in naked, you're going to be shocked and flustered.  I don't necessarily see attraction in Sherlock's reaction. ...

That would certainly be normal human behaviour, I agree. But how much of that does Sherlock normally show?

Incidentally, I had originally written "a purely physical reaction" - that's different from attraction in my book!  Though I do believe that there is attraction as well, at some point. (And that could be either sexual attraction, or the attraction of a gay man to her intelligence and determination - as you like.)

We desperately need John coming into the living room naked so we can observe Sherlock's reactions.

For science!

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April 17, 2015 9:59 am  #106


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

I agree!

 

April 17, 2015 10:05 am  #107


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

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We desperately need John coming into the living room naked so we can observe Sherlock's reactions.

For science!

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April 17, 2015 11:26 am  #108


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

I would like to third the motion for Naked John.


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April 17, 2015 5:02 pm  #109


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

Of course, for science, and to cover all the bases, we should then also have a naked Sherlock walking towards John and/or Irene...

 

April 17, 2015 5:07 pm  #110


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

Of course, solid scientific basis. Randomization, double blind studies, placebos and all that stuff
Not to forget the go by the ethical commission and the statistics department...

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April 17, 2015 5:26 pm  #111


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

Placebos??? 


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April 17, 2015 5:42 pm  #112


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

Sure, you know, Irene...


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April 17, 2015 7:22 pm  #113


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

Naked John walking toward naked Sherlock.
Isn't this what we've been asking for all along?!?!?

TOPIC!

One day Sherlock met a woman named Irene.  She was naked and distracted Sherlock.

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April 18, 2015 4:27 pm  #114


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

I thought the topic was "What is it with Sherlock and Irene"?

Because at the end (i. e. after the aircraft - before the beheading) she's clothed (in a rather amazing dress, I think), but I wonder whether Sherlock is  jealous that she asked Moriarty for help. He's sitting there looking all resigned and depressed, hears "Moriarty",  pulls himself immediately together and finds the password. I'm tempted to think he would have let her get away if she hadn't asked Moriarty for help.

Actually, I have no problem seeing Sherlock teaming up with Irene to expose the government conspiracy - but that's really outside this thread. I'll try to find a better one.

 

June 2, 2015 1:01 pm  #115


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?


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June 2, 2015 2:14 pm  #116


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

 
Oh god that makes me laugh.


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June 2, 2015 2:32 pm  #117


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

Great find, Susi - thanks for posting!  I'd read the description of the scene before but hadn't read Steven's other comments.  I love the idea of Sherlock trying to act as if he just happened to be be passing and didn't know Irene was there, and particularly like the clothes switch at the end.  Of course Irene could have got a costume from one of the bodies, but that wouldn't have been nearly as good as echoing their first scene together (and I like the symbolism of Sherlock being exposed). 

I know not everybody was happy that Irene didn't win in the end, so maybe this would have worked better.  But even in the original episode, it's a draw at least - she gets freedom and safety in the end, with Sherlock helping her to essentially fake her death yet again, and Sherlock does almost lose by caring too.  I'd love to have seen this filmed.   But judging from what Steven says, it wasn't actually written when S2 was filmed.  (Although I suppose they could even get away with doing it in flashback, if they ever decide to bring Irene back?).
 

 

June 3, 2015 1:59 pm  #118


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

Or film it now and include the footage on the 10th anniversary DVD... (though in my headcanon they were never in Karachi at all, but somewhere in the Midlands - thanks, Wellingtongoose!)

(OT: Incidentally Steven Moffat has just confirmed that CAM is not the first person Sherlock kills).

 

June 3, 2015 2:08 pm  #119


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

The Radio Times has just pissed me off!  Damndable clickbait.

They run this headline "Sherlock and Irene Adler meet up every six months for a night of passion revels Stephen Moffat."

With this article:  http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-06-03/sherlock-and-irene-adler-meet-up-every-six-months-for-a-night-of-passion-reveals-steven-moffat
 
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The headline says that Sherlock and Irene SHARE A NIGHT OF PASSION every six months.

This is what Moffat ACTUALLY SAID:

"And so Sherlock is left naked and Irene runs off dressed as him...
"And something like that happens between Irene and Sherlock every six months and THAT is their idea of a night of passion."


You know there will be people who read the headline and skip the article and use this are pro-sherlock/irene evidance from the creators.  But it's really not. Words are important and the small change in phrasing for the headline makes it mean an entirely different thing.  IMO

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June 3, 2015 2:59 pm  #120


Re: What is it with Sherlock and Irene?

Yes, I hate these clickbait articles as well. There was one from another source promising new revelations about series 4 and it was just the same old stuff over and over again. But changing the wording is even worse. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/sad.png


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