SolarSystem wrote:

And it's not just HLV, it's the whole of S3. Let's face it, he cames back after two years and is more lonely than ever before. 

That's what punches me in the gut in this series. I left series 2 completed disgusted with Sherlock, but understanding his sacrifice and what he went through in his two years away, then all his hard work to be a better person in the three episodes, I have to look at him as being a whole new person now. He is someone who has thrown away nearly 40 years of interacting with people and the world in a certain way and has opened himself to an enormous paradigm shift. Yet, none of his friends seem to see this, and that's how it often is. They are used to the idea of Sherlock being one way and they'll need an outsider to point out to them that he is a new man.

The 'how would you know?' exchange with Mycroft is heartbreaking. It's so true. You can't know how lonely you are until you've experienced the opposite of loneliness.

I would have liked just one scene in hospital where Sherlock is being treated kindly and he is graciously accepting help, perhaps John helping him have a meal or Mycroft wiping his brow.

He is just so vulnerable and alone in the hospital scenes we do see. There are a lot of medical inconsistencies in Sherlock's treatment and recovery, but the helpless and floaty portrayal of being heavily doped up on morphine is accurate to my experience with it. It makes my heart ache to see him so confused and even afraid with no one who loves him with him. He has plenty of friends, more than enough that they could have done a 24-hour rotation of shifts to have someone with him until he was more coherent and less vulnerable. Then again, one of those people would have been his shooter, so...

I waffle back and forth about Janine fiddling with the morphine taps. How they work in my experience is that they give a minimum and maximum dose depending on how the patient is feeling at any given time. I got the impression that Janine dialed it down to the minimum, but did not turn it off completely since that would have required tampering with the drip. Messing with someone's dose is a huge no, but I don't think Janine's behaviour is as sinister as it seems since Sherlock was still likely getting the minimum dose he needed. I used to keep dialing the morphine way down because I prefer to manage pain mentally and hated the dopey feeling, but the surgeon kept dialing it way up to keep me sedated as she felt I was too active. I had no ill effects yoyoing back and forth like that. Just sharing that to give a bit of foundation to my opinion.

So I don't find the scene with Janine to be entirely negative, not the way the Mary and Magnussen ones were. Sherlock's in a decent mood talking with Janine and seems to be enjoying her company. I wish we'd had a scene like that with Molly or Greg, someone he's a little closer to, but I'll take it.

Mary

I never was disgusted with Sherlock but it is true that there is an enormous imbalance between the way we see him as a changed person and others treating him as if he was still the Sherlock from before. 

But - and this is a big but - we, the viewers, are in on facts that the other characters are not. Take John - he probably still believes that Sherlock had sex with Janine and maybe even takes part of the newspaper articles to be true. He knows Sherlock is no sex maniac but he does not know either that Sherlock and Janine did not have sex at all. 
And he has no idea either that it was him Sherlock came back for. 

But still - I find Mrs Hudson in the above scene really awful. This is no way to treat your friends in distress. 

Yes, if only to make moaning John feel bad!

Of all the things John doesn't know, I don't think whether Sherlock had sex with Janine matters.  He knows Sherlock faked the relationship and that's what he disapproves of, rather than the specifics of what he did (and I really don't think he'd believe the newspaper stories!).  I think the Serbia thing is a bigger deal (in terms of affecting how John sees Sherlock).  Do we know for sure that he never tells him?   I don't know if John needs to know, but I would like more acknowledgment of the fact that the two years were difficult for Sherlock too, and that he was more alone than John. 

I'm not sure if the scars would exist in the world of Sherlock.  Wounds can heal dramatically!   (At least, I hope so.  That Serbia scene was pretty brutal, and I'd rather think of it in fantasy terms).

Mycroft knew about it, he watched and stilled called it "holiday".. 

maryagrawatson wrote:

SusiGo wrote:

And if you look at this scene - I think we should open another thread for those deleted/re-written scenes from the Chronicles - it gets even worse:

Who was that and what have they done with Mrs. Hudson???!!! Wow, that scene was bad.

The bit about the two packs of cigarettes was funny, but otherwise this read like truly horrible fan fiction!

Mary

Agree wholeheartedly.
This was not Mrs. Hudson we know and love.
I´m so glad they changed this part of the scene to the one where Mrs. Hudson is actually the single person who notices that Sherlock is ill.

Please note that I have also opened a new thread for the discussion of deleted or re-written parts of the script that are contained in the Sherlock Chronicles. 

http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=195342#p195342

SolarSystem wrote:

And it's not just HLV, it's the whole of S3. Let's face it, he cames back after two years and is more lonely than ever before. John isn't there. And it's not just that he'a not in 221B, he's not with Sherlock in hospital when all these nasty things happen, either. I strongly believe that he was there with Sherlock right after he was shot and brought to the hospital, after all we see him being there telling Mary that Sherlock has pulled through. So I take this as a slight comfort. But I agree, we definitely need more comofrt for Sherlock in S4. Much more comfort. 
 

I can imagine that John was nearby. Maybe he slept in some other room (after the burglary, shooting and a frantic rescue of Sherlock he had to be drained of the last shred of power) or was engaged with the policement making the first investigations of the shooting. But I don´t believe he was with Sherlock in the room where he was recovering. Becuase I can´t imagine that John would allow some of the "flowers gifts" to remain. Sherlock can deduce reality from the small signs. If he awoke in a room surrounded by all those "fleurs du mal", funeral wreaths and other "presents" signifying the hatred of people aimed at him and their wish that he wouldn´t survive, he would be inadvertedly hurt. And I can´t see John allowing that to happen. John may be oblivious sometimes - but not THAT oblivious.
 

Schmiezi wrote:

Let's not forget that S3 is mainly told from Sherlock's POV.

Of course! Thank you for that reminder.

But if we could have the John and Mary scene in TEH, we could have had a scene of John waiting for Sherlock to wake up.

Mary

That's a good point, Besleybean.   Showing John at the hospital is maybe enough to show that he was there.   Surely Sherlock's parents would have visited (and Mrs Holmes says how she feel about it later!).   Mycroft is suspiciously quiet about the whole thing, though.