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April 11, 2016 7:29 pm  #241


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

I like that article...it should also be in the comprehensive thread, methinks. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png


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May 2, 2016 6:55 am  #242


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

And still people find interesting things in this episode … 

http://ebaeschnbliah.tumblr.com/post/143727796649/thebisonwitheadphones-cartopathy-softsons


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May 2, 2016 7:25 am  #243


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

I personally think some people really stretch a point.
A ' help mate' is just an assistant or a colleague and I feel that most people in the UK would understand it that way.
If you really want to refer to somebody as your spouse, the English language provides many nouns to do so.
'little help mate' is both a play on John's size and him being only an assistant...just Sherlock's humour, as he goes on to explain John is so much more- to both him and Mary.


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May 2, 2016 7:27 am  #244


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Judging by the reaction of the audience, I wouldn't say that he "literally called John his spouse"!  The word is ambiguous.  If he'd said "husband", that would be literally calling John his spouse, but "partner", for instance, wouldn't be.  

I suspect it's taken from Holmes description of Watson as his helpmate in The Blanched Soldier:
Speaking of my old friend and biographer, I would take this opportunity to remark that if I burden myself with a companion in my various little inquiries it is not done out of sentiment or caprice, but it is that Watson has some remarkable characteristics of his own to which in his modesty he has given small attention amid his exaggerated estimates of my own performances. A confederate who foresees your conclusions and course of action is always dangerous, but one to whom each development comes as a perpetual surprise, and to whom the future is always a closed book, is indeed an ideal helpmate.

It's quite similar to Sherlock's wedding speech in some ways.  (From Arianne de VereIf I burden myself with a little help-mate during my adventures, it is not out of sentiment or caprice – it is that he has many fine qualities of his own that he has overlooked in his obsession with me).

And a couple of lines later in The Blanched Soldier:
The good Watson had at that time deserted me for a wife, the only selfish action which I can recall in our association. I was alone.

Moftiss do like to draw on canon and I think that's what's happening here, especially as it's rare example of Holmes' POV. (The understated "I was alone" is quite moving, and it does make me think of Sherlock at the end of TSOT, even if Moftiss's Sherlock is more expressive!).
 

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May 4, 2016 6:51 am  #245


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

The moment when Sherlock deduced Mary´s pregnancy in stills - centered on John´s reactions. Very interesting reactions:

http://madfoxx.tumblr.com/post/142460176518/what-to-do-when-finding-out-that-your-wife-is


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May 4, 2016 7:53 am  #246


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Very interesting!


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May 9, 2016 9:00 pm  #247


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Another thing: Imagine a bride and her best/only friend/chief bridesmaid not exchanging a single word over three episodes. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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May 9, 2016 9:14 pm  #248


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

SusiGo wrote:

Another thing: Imagine a bride and her best/only friend/chief bridesmaid not exchanging a single word over three episodes. 

Yes, friendship between Mary and Janine is so fake it´s unbelievable. It´s as if they didn´t know each other at all.


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May 9, 2016 9:22 pm  #249


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Which goes for most of the wedding guests but with Janine it is glaringly obvious. She just seems to be good enough to look nice at the wedding and get whacked over the head. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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May 9, 2016 9:28 pm  #250


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Nicely put. And so very true. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/lol.png


I´m still puzzled where did John and Mary conjured up so many wedding guests. 


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May 9, 2016 9:35 pm  #251


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Some of the men look like nightclub bouncers. Probably some former colleagues of Mary's. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png
 John must have had friends from uni or the army or school - or are we to assume that he also was a loner like Sherlock and Mycroft? Not really. The whole wedding seems to take place in a vacuum, it looks completely artificial. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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May 10, 2016 5:39 am  #252


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

But how much detail do we want on the wedding?
It had to be done.
But they did it in a way to focus on the crime aspects, but mostly it's all about Sherlock.


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May 10, 2016 5:54 am  #253


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

I agree, but I think it's slightly out of character for them to have such a big wedding, when neither have family that can come.  I've thought about this a lot and in the end I wonder if it's just because the team wanted elements of a big wedding - the setting, the visuals, Sherlock as wedding planner, the best man's speech, etc.  It wouldn't work so well with a small intimate gathering.

 

 

May 10, 2016 7:06 am  #254


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Some people pointed out in the past that Moftiss, if they want something cool in their show, simply put it in regardless of the plot points previously established. And Watson´s wedding ceremony seems to be exactly this. It doesn´t fit John´s and Mary´s character to have such an opulent wedding, for Mary it´s very dangerous to draw attention to herself that way... but the scene of Sherlock´s speech would not be so flashy without big wedding party, so there goes this characterisation...


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May 10, 2016 1:00 pm  #255


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Very good point, nakahara.


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May 10, 2016 5:23 pm  #256


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Though for me, if he'd stood up and said it in a little pub, or even at 221B...it still would be the only best man's speech worth listening to.


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May 21, 2016 5:10 pm  #257


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Nice comparison. I know we have discussed the way the wedding speech is shot but this lends it some extra emphasis:

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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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May 21, 2016 5:12 pm  #258


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

It could also foretell Mary's death.


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May 21, 2016 5:21 pm  #259


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Wow, nice analysis. The show seems to be at its best when quoting itself.


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May 21, 2016 5:23 pm  #260


Re: This wedding is an extremely strange one!

Yes, this is one of the things I love most about. And these self-quotes are always true. Just think of Mrs Hudson and her chief bridesmaid. Or the not-working lipstick and moustache. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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