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May 5, 2014 9:14 am  #41


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

All the more reason to read them before watching it, because if they're not an easy read it'll probably also be difficult to follow the films without any knowledge about what's going on.


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May 5, 2014 9:18 am  #42


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

Yes. It is about complicated family relationships and civil war and all women have the same names. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

A dear friend of mine has written some novels about this and told me quite a lot about it. But you are right and I will try my best as well. 


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May 5, 2014 9:23 am  #43


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

So what do you recommend to read then?


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May 5, 2014 9:26 am  #44


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

I'd start with the plays, gently. Maybe first in German, then in English. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png


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"We did observe." - David Tennant in "Richard II"

 
 

May 5, 2014 9:33 am  #45


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

Yes. And maybe read something on Wikipedia about the background and the most important characters. If you know what the Wars of the Roses were about, you will understand the plays much better. 

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenkriege

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May 5, 2014 9:40 am  #46


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

I don't even need to leave my house for that!
My husband is from Lancashire and I am from Yorkshire!


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May 5, 2014 9:42 am  #47


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

And in general, there's lots and lots of secondary literature around about all the plays, the characters... "Who's who bei Shakespeare" (German) for example gives a nice overview over all the important characters in his plays. 
 


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"Am I the current King of England?

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"We did observe." - David Tennant in "Richard II"

 
 

May 5, 2014 9:47 am  #48


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

besleybean wrote:

I don't even need to leave my house for that!
My husband is from Lancashire and I am from Yorkshire!

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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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May 5, 2014 12:03 pm  #49


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

If you feel like some serious homework, I highly reccomend Issac Asimov's Guide to Shakespeare. 

http://www.amazon.com/ASIMOVS-GUIDE-SHAKESPEARE-ITALIAN-Complete/dp/B00165SCV2/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399291142&sr=1-2&keywords=isaac+asimov+shakespeare

It's a fantastic resourse.


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May 5, 2014 2:42 pm  #50


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

It's funny having been born and raised in England and fed this culture and history...you forget others haven't had the same advantage!


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May 5, 2014 3:13 pm  #51


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

Besley, I hope you and your Husband don't go to those reenactment society things - could prove awkward!!;)

Am currently watching The Hollow Crown - I loved Richard II, and I've just finished Henry IV part one, which I wasn't quite as keen on, but the casting is excellent so I'm really excited about what they'll do with the next instalment.
I notice the original series wasn't particularly faithful to hairstyles etc., (Tom Hiddledtone's for instance is nothing like the style that Henry V is depicted as having), so I'm curious as to how Benedict will look as Richard.
I really enjoyed reading the play but it is very cruel in it's portrayal of King Richard - I'm so excited to see this; I just wish we didn't have so long to wait!


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May 5, 2014 3:26 pm  #52


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

My daughter is the member of a reenactment group, but a Medieval Scottish one!
Oh God The Hollow Crown was so good, can't WAIT for the next one.
Yep, Richard II is fab.


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May 5, 2014 3:49 pm  #53


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

Yes, it was excellent. I think 2H4 was the weakest part but then the play is not that good. Still, I liked to watch it for the actors who are brilliant. And it is interesting to see Hal's development from dissolute prince to king. Maybe we will see a bit of that in Richard III, too. And I would not mind if they went for a not quite so faithfuly hairstyle. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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May 5, 2014 5:05 pm  #54


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

SusiGo wrote:

Yes, it was excellent. I think 2H4 was the weakest part but then the play is not that good. Still, I liked to watch it for the actors who are brilliant. And it is interesting to see Hal's development from dissolute prince to king. Maybe we will see a bit of that in Richard III, too. And I would not mind if they went for a not quite so faithfuly hairstyle. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

I'm so shallow, so I'll admit that I wouldn't mind if they just gave the clothes Tom wore as Henry to Benedict - Tom looked fab in them and so would Benedict. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png

 


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"Am I the current King of England?

"I see no shame in having an unhealthy obsession with something." - David Tennant
"We did observe." - David Tennant in "Richard II"

 
 

May 5, 2014 5:13 pm  #55


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

Yes, the red leather thing looked gorgeous. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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May 5, 2014 5:16 pm  #56


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Oh YES, the red leather thing... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/love.png


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"Am I the current King of England?

"I see no shame in having an unhealthy obsession with something." - David Tennant
"We did observe." - David Tennant in "Richard II"

 
 

May 5, 2014 6:49 pm  #57


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

I can't wait to see this. Hollow Crown was briliant and St. Crispen's Day Speech in Henry V was so well played by Tom with his full of emotions and brave tone (altough Kenneth Branagh version was magnificent too). I love this speach so much that I even learned it by heart http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png


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It's funny having been born and raised in England and fed this culture and history...you forget others haven't had the same advantage!

I envy you sometimes because Shakespeare is magnificent poet and yet in my country he is not that much popular that sometimes it's hard to get his less famous plays. In my country there is lots of great poets but I think none of them is so famous around the world like Shakespeare.


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May 5, 2014 6:53 pm  #58


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

I am glad that in Germany Shakespeare is very popular and has been for centuries. So we get to see quite a lot of productions and more or less all films are available. Near the place where I am living there is even a modern copy of the Globe theatre where they have a Shakespeare Festival each summer. 

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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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May 5, 2014 9:32 pm  #59


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

SusiGo wrote:

I am glad that in Germany Shakespeare is very popular and has been for centuries. So we get to see quite a lot of productions and more or less all films are available. Near the place where I am living there is even a modern copy of the Globe theatre where they have a Shakespeare Festival each summer. 

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That's wonderful Susi!  Have you ever been?  I've only been to one Shakespeare festival but what a week that was!  Saw 2 or 3 plays a day for 6 days.  Thought I'd died and gone to heaven!

Here in Atlanta, Georgia we have a wonderful place downtown called Shakespeare's Tavern where they do dinner theatre.  No huge budgets but they do get some quality talent.


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May 30, 2014 6:36 am  #60


Re: The Hollow Crown: The Wars of the Roses (was "Richard III")

So they start filming in late September! And although in the first part of Henry VI Richard will be played by a younger actor (but it is a very minor part there, in any case) we will still have him in two films, hurrah!    

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