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Well, maybe the bad things happen to someone else. Just speculating but I fear for Mycroft.
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I love it when it hurts, as long as there is comfort in the end. We didn't get much comfort at the end of HLV, so I hope that in S4 they first will give us darkness and then, please, some comfort. Would be enough comfort for me if they get the boys back together again in 221B.
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I thought Mary´s death was pretty certain, because of the thing Amanda said.. about knowing how it will happen..
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Yes, yes, but that's a bit sad, isn't it? You fall head over heels in love with great new TV, you are a happy little poppy for six episodes and crave for the next ones and then you feel like:"Hm, where does this head in general? Will I be in love enough to keep following you?" I didn't feel this before.
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But is 'it' Mary's death? Or just her 'disappearance' from the show?
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I think the commentary was quite interesting in that respect.
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It was, wasn't it?
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mrshouse wrote:
Yes, yes, but that's a bit sad, isn't it? You fall head over heels in love with great new TV, you are a happy little poppy for six episodes and crave for the next ones and then you feel like:"Hm, where does this head in general? Will I be in love enough to keep following you?" I didn't feel this before.
It is. I went through all the stages of grief and slowly arrive at acceptance.. life goes on and at least there will be beautiful Sherlock to look at (I´ll just close my eyes whenever they feel the need to make him slap himself or vomit on the floor again..)
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Or smiling John...
Did I ever mention that I love Martin's smile?
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From your avatar, one wouldn't guess
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mrshouse wrote:
Or smiling John...
Did I ever mention that I love Martin's smile?
You mentioned it here, sort of...
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This little snippet might be interesting ...
Mark: So you have to sort of backtrack and think, now, is she attached to Mary so she became her friend so that she could go to the wedding. Is that all part of Magnussen's ...
Steven: ... terrible web?
Although, it's quite clearly posed as a question, not an answer. I'd been keen on the idea of Mary courting Janine to get to Magnussen, but quite possibly it was the other way round.
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Interesting point. Who targeted who and used her for her own plans?
Short side trip: Anyway I think there is more to Janine than we are led to believe. One thing I read about and had not thought about before - Sherlock and Mycroft arguing loudly about Magnussen while Janine is in the flat. And she later mentions the shouting going on. So she then probably knew Sherlock was after her boss and possibly even earlier.
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I am pretty certain that she was knew Sherlock was targetting Magnussen - apart from the shouting (which, interestingly, Sherlock doesn't seem too bothered about - he's just very certain that he doesn't want Mycroft and Janine to meet at that point), it has to be Janine deliberately feeding Sherlock the information about Magnussen being out of the office, so that Magnussen can show Sherlock the "letters" and lure him there.
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Which leaves all sorts of interesting scenarios - Janine targeting Mary from the beginning (but why), working for Magnussen or someone else or on her own …
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Janine seems to be under Magnussen's control, so presumably Magnussen had some use for Mary, perhaps even before she was a link in the chain to Mycroft? But that still leaves the questionf of why? He's certainly involved in some way by the wedding ... but from Mary's expression, it looks as if it could be a surprise to her at that point. I'm not sure.
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This is very interesting.. It might just be wishful thinking, but from the top of my head it doesn't seem to directly contradict the commentary. I'll have to review their comments on Mary again.. (besleybean was right about us having too much time on hand..^^)
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I disagree with the conclusion of that piece and think it does contradict what the team have said.
In fact, having just posted on the Janine thread, I'm seeing a pattern with the Sherlock women!
Steven does like them sexy, but he likes then clever and feisty too!
Again, from what they say...well I don't know if you can categorise Mary as either victim or villain.
She has a past...but the team seem to be pushing the fact that she does want to leave this behind and move on from it.
She genuinely loves John and yes will do anything to protect him, but she genuinely likes Sherlock and wants to keep the boys together. She is at least a support to them in their work,
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Very good meta, Zatoichi. Thanks for posting.
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About Mary going to Sherlock for help - yes, I think she should have done, but actually, Sherlock proved to be pretty incompetent when it came to Magnussen. We'd probably have had much the same scene of Sherlock going to Magnussen's office, except that in this case, without Mary, Magnussen would have been in control. I'm not sure what he would have said or done, but he definitely had the upper hand at that point. Sherlock wasn't able to help Mary, himself, or Lady Smallwood.
In fact, in the end (as the writer points out) he ends up just taking over Mary's plan to shoot him in the head. Except that Mary's plan would have been a lot more efficient (she's a professional killer) - if she hadn't been interrupted, she wouldn't have been traced, a lot of evil would have been prevented (included Lord Smallwood's suicide, amongst other things), and they could have carried on as normal - no risk to Mary, John, Sherlock or Mycroft.