tonnaree wrote:

I'm in this fandom for fun and it's a joy to share it with my fellow obsessives even if I don't share all of their opinions.

I couldn't agree more. One of the things that I realy like about this forum is that on the whole people get along well despite often holding opposite views.

In my headcanon Sherlock is most likely asexual. I can see him with a girlfriend as well though. I have read plenty of Johnlock fanfictions and I can deffinitly see that work. I don't think it will ever happen in the show but I subtext is deffinitely there. I think John has a bit of bisexual vibe about him.

No worries QE.  My comments were certainly not directed at you. 

Bromance is all good.

Lue4028 wrote:

Sherlock's sexuality -his repression of it actually- is why he's my hero. 
He holds "pure, cold reason above all things", and since sexuality conflicts with that, he gets rid of it. He also discards sensations of fatigue or hunger, which I find admirable too, but not as much.
He has a philosophical argument against allowing sexuality to impede rationality. And I think that's so much more awesome than just being asexual, because then it becomes a war of mind over matter, and Sherlock's mind never looses. Sherlock is the only light I see in a sea of sex-craze, the only place where the mind and its humanity is valued above the mundane sexual wirings of the body.
Frankly, things get so boring when people stop behaving and thinking rationaly, and devolve to baser needs and instincts. Sex these days has gotten so casual, poorly justified, and brainless. Life is so much more interesting and meaningful with reasons behind actions and that's what Sherlock stands for to me. Rationalism.
When Adler touches his hand and asks him if he wants to have dinner, what does he do? He takes her pulse! He makes me so proud.

So you're maintaining he wasn't really attracted to Adler?

I thought the whole, "She tries to seduce him - but she has a hidden agenda - but she really falls for him  - but meanwhile he always had a hidden agenda - but he really falls for her" was just such a Harlequinn cliche.

And the idea that the ONE person who causes logical Sherlock to show signs of letting attraction get the better of him is a person who, on the logical level, he has every reason to consider "bad" really bothers me. I don't see Irene's particular...variation...being a turnon for Sherlock, either. Especially when you consider that being captured by criminals and tied up/ hurt "for real" is something he risks every day. I don't think he would want to do it as a game...then again, he didn't seem THAT traumatized by Serbia, so far.

I'd prefer to believe that if Sherlock had any potential to be attracted, it would have to be toward someone he had come to trust as a friend (i.e., John or Molly), or else someone who was kind of a groupie, and thought he was amazing. 

 

Last edited by SherlocklivesinOH (April 10, 2014 2:34 am)

Frankly, I do not think it in any way heroic to repress one's sexuality. For me sexuality and rational thinking should not exclude each other. And IMO they do not have to. 


 

Last edited by SusiGo (April 10, 2014 6:24 am)

Sex, like just about everything else in life, has been used, abused and exploited in just about everyway possible.  But sex in and of itself is not a negative thing. 

Perhaps it's just the nature of the word "repression."  I don't think the repression of any natural human emotion to be a healthy thing.  I was happy to see Sherlock letting things out more in Series 3 and I think one of the end game goals of the show should be for Sherlock to find a way to combine his emotions and his intellect.

SusiGo wrote:

Well said, tonnaree. 

 
Thanks Susi.
Not that anyone would notice, but I've always been rather fond of sex myself. 

I like to keep emotions and sexuality seperate concepts. Emotions I like because they are often backed by reasons- which are interesting. Emotions are in some ways, rational too. The desire to have sex tho.. it's just there. There's nothing rational about it, it's just what people do. People sometimes have sex because of emotions they feel toward another person, but reason tends to exit out of the equation when you go from liking a person to having sex with them. Why those two things connect has no rationale behind it, it just what we're programmed to do. 

Which I find boring. And meaningless. because there are no reasons backing it. I see so much more humanity in a character when they act on reasons. And I don't see the personable aspect of a character when they act on instinct.. because their personality, their thoughts, their rational emotions aren't playing much of a role anymore.

Repression isn't healthy, but if Sherlock were healthy or concerned about health, god, he'd be boring. All his mental sicknessess- addictive behaviors, antisocialness, smallish amount of OCD, "sociopathy" but I'll just call it questionable ethics, and very importantly, repression make watching Sherlock fun.

I can totally see why repressing sexuality isn't heroic, or doesn't even make sense to some, if not most people. But I see a lot of value in it, because it leaves so much space for reasoning and meaning.

Haha. Of course you're fond of sex. Everybody's fond of sex. Even I'm fond of sex. It's madness. I'm aware my opinion about these things is not very conventional, and I wouldn't expect these opinions to be shared. Just.. speaking my mind, hope that's okay.

Last edited by Lue4028 (April 10, 2014 9:47 pm)

Ok. Ben says that
1. Sherlock "subsumes" sexuality to do his work.
2. Sherlock isn't a virgin
I think number 2 might be a little ambiguous for preciously stated reasons but 1 makes sense to me.

But there are plenty of people who opt for celibacy and that is entirely up to them...or at least it should be.