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| The Reichenbach Fall » Graveyard Questions » January 23, 2013 12:26 am |
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Why would Sherlock go to his funeral (or visit his gravestone or whatever)? I really cannot think of a reason why, I mean, if he wanted to see John there would've been plenty of other times to see him from a distance. And I'm pretty sure John says "I can't go back to the flat at the moment", which made me think that only a short amount of time had passed. I also thought it was a bit strange that Molly wasn't there, but perhaps it was best to play it safe
| The Reichenbach Fall » Why not Molly? » January 23, 2013 12:15 am |
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And also, I think the reason Moriaty included Lestrade, was because of when Lestrade came to their flat, and Sherlock said no, and then Lestrade leaves. An ordinary officer would've said, especially one who knows what Sherlock's like, "no, you're coming with me" (that sounded so wrong). There was the camera in the flat, so Moriaty could see this exchange. He could see that Sherlock is friends with Mrd Hudson and John (obviously), and then with this encounter, he could see that Sherlock is friends with Lestrade.
| The Reichenbach Fall » Looking Sad » January 22, 2013 11:48 pm |
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kazza474 wrote:Sherlock Holmes wrote:Does Sherlock really look sad when he thinks John can't see him? And if so...why???
No he doesn't look sad. He looks deep in thought.
He's already decided that he will need to fake his death; he is trying to sum up the impact on John, possibly deciding whether to let John in on the plan.
Molly mistakes the looks for sadness. I would say it was more of a case of mixed feelings.
When Molly says she's getting something to eat & does he want anything, I think he was going ask her then about her helping him with the plan but decided to wait to see how things panned out.
Sadness isn't a useful emotion; you cannot change what will be. In its place Sherlock has thoughts of how to 'right wrongs'.I think he was already planning his fake death, and didn't want John to know about it, let's face it, John's just not that good an actor (remember all that business with telling Sherlock that Irene had 'died'). I also find it funny that John never finds out about this IOU thing, which led me to believe that maybe IOU is something to do with medicine.
| The Reichenbach Fall » John after the Fall » January 22, 2013 11:21 pm |
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tobeornot221b wrote:
There is something I’d always get furious at:
After Sherlock having been rushed into Bart’s nobody takes care of John who’s just been witnessing his best friend’s death. He is in shock. Why does no-one put a blanket on him? Get him a cuppa? Offer him any comfort or at least stay with him? He’s left outside alone. Shame on you, paramedics (be you real or homeless network fake ones)! Don’t you know that witnesses of such a dramatic event must be paid attention to as well?
I know!
"I'm in shock, look, I've got a blanket"
| The Reichenbach Fall » A few questions » January 22, 2013 11:17 pm |
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I guess they might not have been ordinary cases, but it was a bit uncharacteristic of Sherlock to take on those cases. I mean, a stolen painting? Sherlock's always complaining that such and such case is boring, and a stolen painting is about as boring as you can get
| The Reichenbach Fall » Answe to "final problem", "why not Molly?", etc. » January 22, 2013 10:15 am |
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kazza474 wrote:
Hmm.
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I think first of all you need to understand a bit more about the canon; it wasn't written as a serial where we need to know what happened in other stories in order to solve later stories. The creators have followed suit here and each episode is a stand alone item. As they have said themselves, all we need to know is in this episode.
So an elaborate link of the characters like you have made is hardly likely and also not in keeping with the simplicity of plots which is also a key element here.
- Sherlock telling Molly he needs "you" is simply someone using a short statement. There's no emotion attached to that word, unless the reader/viewer wants to add some. You say Sherlock is precise in his words, well in this instance he IS precise as well as concise, which is also a trait of Shelock's speech. No use using superfluous words when one conveys the message.
- The character of Molly is simply one added by the creators for 'human interest', don't expect hers to be one that is central to unlocking the mysteries in anyway. She's just 'eye candy' for a certain demographic of viewers.
- Don't make any attachments between John's blog that we find online and the TV series. While it was created by someone attached to the BBC show it is not meant to be part of it; again just 'eye candy' for fans.
- The final problem (as it was in the canon) is simply the continuous 'meddling' of Sherlock in Moriarty's plans; the constant clashing of these 2 and to solve this problem one of them has to be removed from the equation. Moriarty has no problem staying alive until he sees fit to become otherwise. So it's hardly a problem. You seem to have listed several 'final problems'; these are really only problems for you, not the characters in this show.
- IOU is simply a taunt Moriarty uses to get under Sherlock's skin. In his eyes, he owes him a fall from grace, just as Sherlock had given him one in the eyes of his fellow criminals. It's no key for anything, just a ta
| The Reichenbach Fall » Why not Molly? » January 22, 2013 10:05 am |
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kazza474 wrote:Lelli wrote:
If she is that unimportant I must have gotten something wrong...
I think I'll just have to watch all episodes again! ;) (...like I need an excuse for thet... ^^)In a way, you have done something 'wrong' as have the others answering the question.
You are all looking at this from your perspective, you are assuming Moriarty sees things as we all do.
Moriarty is the one who delivered the lines; Moriarty is the one who decided who was important enough to mention in the threat.
In Moriarty's mind, Molly IS unimportant in what is going on.
I do tend to agree with him on this however.
Yes Sherlock mentions her in his phone call; he is using her services in covering this 'suicide' up ; it would be odd if he DIDN'T mention her & could arouse John's suspicion later on if he thinks things through. (As Irene as posted above)I agree, Moriaty had dated Molly, he would've been perfectly aware of her crush on Sherlock. But Moriaty only saw Molly as a pawn, someone who can be used but cannot be useful themselves. He saw her as a typical girl(ordinary) with a crush on a guy who is (more or less) out of her league. It never occurred to him that Sherlock would enlist the help of this 'ordinary' person, nor that she could actually be of some help.
| The Reichenbach Fall » Moftiss Intentionally Misleading Us? » January 22, 2013 9:47 am |
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Sherlock Holmes wrote:
How about setting it up so we think Jim is just Jim from IT then we discover he's actually Moriarty?
I think there's probably loads in Reichenbach though...like the RUBBER BALL!!! The rubber ball is so obviously a red herring. (In my opinion anyway...I don't buy into the rubber ball theory).I don't think the rubber ball theory is correct either. Lots of people think that Sherlock landed in the truck(I think the truck was just another red herring), but that would've been physically impossible. The solution will turn out to be really obvious and simple, but we didn't see it because (quote) we "always want it to be clever" and then Gatiss and Moffat: "we knew you'd fall for it!" In short, we're all way over thinking this
| The Reichenbach Fall » Gatiss tells what he thinks of all the theories » January 22, 2013 9:31 am |
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kazza474 wrote:
Earlier this year Steven Moffat suggested that feverish fan theories as to how Holmes had faked his own death had missed one vital clue. So does Gatiss think the truth could now be out there? "There's some very clever theories, some of them elaborate, and I enjoy them all. But if I were to tell you if someone had worked it out then it wouldn't be a secret." Which, of course, isn't an answer. So I try again. Has somebody somewhere now worked it out? "It may be, sort of, in some of the theories. There's a lot of very clever people out there … "
Gatiss points to certain theories beyond his wildest imagination, and admits to being happily shocked by the frenzy that surrounded Holmes' jump. "I've never known something become such a public talking point." And one that shows little sign of abating. "It'll be worth the wait," he promises.
Most likely, with people's theories, people have got one part right but not all of it. I don't think anybody's got absolutely everything right
Gotcha! You thought you'd get some hints here huh?
| The Reichenbach Fall » A few questions » January 22, 2013 9:03 am |
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Sherlock must've realised at some point that Moriaty likes to watch him dance (heck, the poor dude wearing a bomb even told him so), likes to watch him solve the puzzle. So it must have occurred to Sherlock, what would happen if he stopped solving Moriaty's puzzles? What if he just decided to take on 'ordinary' cases?
| The Reichenbach Fall » IOU and it's potential meaning(s) » January 22, 2013 8:50 am |
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Sherlock Holmes wrote:
Yeah that makes a lot of sense...all that stuff at the beginning of people giving him tie pins and posing for photographs - it's very un-Sherlock...he must have known Moriarty would be watching him, reading all about it in the papers...they were both playing a game with each other, but Sherlock always had the upper hand because he started the game before Moriarty even realised it.
I think Sherlock decided to became the 'reichenbach hero' and become all well known, is because he was taunting Moriaty into doing what he did (trying to destroy Sherlock's reputation). Sherlock must've thought of what Moriaty would try to do, once he 'built up his reputation of being the clever detective', and so he knew that Moriaty would try to destroy his reputation. I'm just guessing that Sherlock let all this happen in order to eventually kill Moriaty. Altrhough there are lots of things that I don't understand, and I'm probably wrong. Anyway, I'm pretty sure, the reason nobody has thought(as far as I know, no-one has come up with a theory that fits all the facts and explains everything) of the right solution to how Sherock survived, is because we're all overthinking this
| The Reichenbach Fall » John after the Fall » January 22, 2013 8:25 am |
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BrandoMan13 wrote:kazza474 wrote:BrandoMan13 wrote:
I do love that John has complete and utter faith in Sherlock...so much so that he still holds out hope he's alive. Funny thing is, if it was anyone but Sherlock we'd all think he is crazy.
I really don't think he has any hopes of him being alive. That line 'don't ... be dead' was just desperation, slight tragic humour as he knows nothing else to say. One last joke with his friend.
It's over as far as John is concerned. His life's empty again.I agree with most of your posts but on this topic I disagree.
I truly think John thinks of Sherlock as almost super-human, or capable of things no other person is capable of. It might be desperation but I do think that deep deep down he is hoping against hope that somehow a miracle will occur and he'll have his friend back.I agree with that. I can't quite picture John fainting when he eventually finds out that Sherlock's alive, instead I picture alot of shouting, and perhaps a few swear words. Anyway, underneath all that, John would be really relieved and happy that Sherlock's alive.
Another theory about the 'don't be dead', it's sort of the kind of thing that someone would say if a family member had gone missing and they're all assuming the worst; so maybe that was the last time John actually sees Sherlock's body, and so, I don't know, it hasn't sunk in yet? I'm mosy likely wrong
| The Reichenbach Fall » I.O.U. Update: Breakthrough! » January 22, 2013 8:13 am |
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there is actually a little bit of a reference to Cinderella, the birds. There were birds that flew away from the building that Sherlock jumped from, they flew away AFTER he jumped, which was a bit weird but anyway. At the end of the cinderella story, birds attack the two stepsisters eyes. But in all honesty, this is getting a little too complicated, I think there is a connection to the fairytales but it's more simple, like John and Sherlock being Hansel & Gretel, they were following the clues (like the breadcrumbs in Hansel and Gretel) and the clues ultimately led to Moriaty (the witch's house).
