The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 9:13 pm |
Well, frankly, I could live better with the twin hypothesis than with the theory, that the guy, who shot himself on the roof also faked his death.
By the way, if there's anything to our guesswork, Moriarty's sentence 'I'm sooo changeable' would get a whole new meaning, lol!
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 8:59 pm |
Sherlock, I also think, the guy on the roof is dead. But if we are really dealing with twin brothers here, they could at least bring Andy back in the next season, who ever he might be. A lot of fans would love that!
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 8:46 pm |
I thought about that, too, Davina. But, as you say, it's not likely. True ambidexters are VERY rare, and an ambidexterous Moriarty would not turn the teacup, because he would be fine to hold the handle with either hand. Also, I cannot imagine, that the writer would create an ambidexterous Moriarty, just to confound us.
The whole thing could still be a big continuity error, but I get increasingly uncomfortable to chalk up every headscratcher to this. And again, there IS a Moriarty brother in the canon.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 8:22 pm |
That's true. If I, a leftie would use both hands, I would hold the phone in my right hand and use the fingers of my left hand to type/click. But the guy in the Tower holds the phone in his right hand and does the typing/clicking with his right hand also. No leftie would do that, but, as I said before, the clincher is the diamond. No leftie would apply that with his right hand in the way this is done in the show.
So, if tobeornot221b's observation is correct, the guy in the tower and the 'Moriarty' at the pool in 'Scandal' are the same person, whereas the guy, who visits Sherlock (and possibly the cabbie) is a different one. This could make sense, since I read somewhere, that 'Scandal' for some reason was filmed after 'Reichenbach', so they should have paid attention to those details.
An aside: SHOULD we deal here with something like the Moriarty twins vs. the Holmes brothers (and it's still a big IF), it's not uncommon, that identical twins, though they share the same DNA, have different hand preferences. It's a phenomenon, which is still not completely understood, but the scientists are getting there.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 8:03 pm |
davina, we all saw but didn't observe, lol! No, I don't think, this one is a continuity error. This left/right hand thing is much too big for this. It's standard mystery novel stuff. But I like the way, they fooled us with the writing! If I weren't a leftie myself with lots of mirror image writing practice, I would never have caught on!
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 7:42 pm |
Allright, Moriarty/Rich Brook is getting mysteriouser and mysteriouser every time I look at him. When he visits Sherlock after the jury found him not guilty, he is clearly shown to be a left hander. He makes a big show turning this cup of tea so he can hold the handle with the left hand.Our attention is drawn to it. But the guy, who breaks into the tower, is clearly a right hander: He handles his phone with the right hand, but more importantly, he applies the diamond with the right hand, which needs some fine motorical skills. Now, you could argue, he wrote 'GET SHERLOCK' with his left hand. Yes, but he's writing in mirror image. If you write mirror image, the left hand is easier, because you don't swish over the letters with your hand. I should know, because I am a leftie and, as many lefties I'm very good at mirror image writing. Also, the letters, he writes are kind of crude, so he doesn't have to be very skillful with his left hand to write those letters. But for me the clincher is the careful way he applies the diamond with his right hand. No leftie would do this.
To me it increasingly looks like we're dealing with two different persons here. On just an emotional level, I like the guy, who dances to the Rossini melody in the Tower, and who gleefully poses in the crown jewells. The guy, who shows up at Sherlock's flat creeps me out. But, of course, that's not a valid argument, just a personal feeling.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 4:14 pm |
davina, when I wrote about the time lapse, I wasn't thinking of the time between the cabbie scene and the rooftop scene. I meant the time between Sherlock seeing the clean shaven Moriarty as cabbie and seeing the moustached Moriarty as Rich Brook, the actor at the SAME evening in Kitty's flat. Check out the time line: Sherlock sees Moriarty as cabbie, the assassin gets shot, Sherlock checks his flat for hidden devices and finds the camera. Mrs. Hudson complains about being in her nighty. At the same time Lestrade comes in and tells him about some doubts. Lestrade goes away. The burnt Ginger Bread man is delivered, while Mrs. Hudson is still in her nighty. She opens the police with the arrest warrant in same nighty. Sherlock and John get arrested, go on the run, see the newspapers, go to Kitty's flat, where they encounter moustached Rich Brook. All this takes place in the dark and in the same evening/night. So we either have to conclude, that Rich Brook, the actor and Moriarty, the cabbie are not the same person or we have artistic license and a continuity error here.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 3:39 pm |
mOr1arty, I agree, even if the public is not interested (though I highly doubt that, considering the sensationalism of the whole story), John and other friends (Lestrade - a detective,no less! - would certainly want to know, if a fraud helped him all the time, which would be very career damaging) would be very keen to find out the truth.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 3:25 pm |
Sherlock, I agree, I believe into the simplest explanation as well, though the stubble IS confounding! We're looking at a time laps of a couple of hours at most between Moriarty as cabbie and Moriarty as Rich Brook. Even the most hirsute men can't grow a moustache as fast as this. Trouble is, in a tv show you just never know, how much they bend reality!
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 3:18 pm |
Thing is, even if records COULD be altered at will and documents falsified, you cannot alter people's memories, unless Moriarty had a zapping device like the agents Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones in 'Men in Black', that is. Someone should be able to recall, if he gave a reward to a certain actor, another one, if he covered that in an article. And even if Kitty is unscroupulous and not very smart, if she has some sense of self preservation, she should at least have done some marginal background checks.
And Moriarty's idea was certainly not to discredit Sherlock for a day or two, but to damage his reputation permanently. That would not work out, if this big lie is wrapped up in all sorts of little lies, which can be found out easily. No, I think, Rich Brook is real to a certain degree, which makes the 'Sherlock is a fraud' story that much more devillish and intriguing.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 1:28 pm |
I think, we all made too easily the assumption, that Kitty is a bad reporter and would not have checked Brook's credentials. For one thing, we really don't know, how bad Kitty really is. Actor Rich Brook is presented as a public persona, even if he is not well known. His resumme is easy to check, even for a bad journo. The counter argument always was, that Moriarty altered all the records, but he himself said, that this is bullshit and this kind of powerful code doesn't exist. Well, we can't have it both ways. If the code does exist after all, Moriarty was lying to Sherlock. If it doesn't exist, we have to conclude that the Rich Brook persona is real to a certain degree. I tend to assume the latter. If actor Rich Brook never existed, people would have found out in a very short time. And more important, John would know it. He was there, when Sherlock came face to face with Brook, and heard all the accusations. He would be VERY interested after Sherlock's suicide to find out, if there's any truth in the Brook story. Well, he must still believe, at least it COULD be true, mustn't he? We talked about John having found inconsistencies in Sherlock telling him, he's a fraud. I've pointed out some inconsistencies in another thread (and, as always in the times of the world wide web, others have beat me to it, as I found out), but Rich Brook never having existed would be a glaring biggie for John. So if Sherlock wanted John to believe in the 'I am a fraud' story for a prolonged period of time, he must have known, that the Rich Brook story would check out.
So, what are the conclusions:
The simplest one would be, that Moriarty had created 'Actor Rich Brook' quite some time ago as a fall back identity, which would be always handy and practical for a supervillain. A variant of this theory is, that actor Rich Brook IS Moriarty (Moriarty being his artistic alias, since it sounds more menacing than his real name). The actor, who was not contend being a small fish and decided to bec
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 10:24 am |
As I wrote myself, I'm not sure, if there's anything to it, but we're not talking overnight here. There can't be more than a gap of a few hours between Sherlock seeing the cabbie and meeting Rich Brook. The beard could be nothing more than artistic license to make Rich Brook feel more real, but at this point I'm not sure about anything.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 9:43 am |
He Sherlock, interesting, that you should post this! I started to feel mega uneasy about the whole Rich Brook situation. First I could not put my finger on it, but when I started to do some research on possible clues, which might really be continuity errors, I stumbled on this: When Sherlock takes a look at the cabbie, who turns out to be Moriarty, Jim is absolutely clean shaven, as Moriarty always is. Yet only a bit later, when he meets Rich Brook, he has a little goatie and a three day beard, which would take days to grow and hours to fake with make up. I mean, come on,you can put on a false beard, but that's not, what we are looking at here. This could be absolutely nothing more than a big continuity error. But it doesn't inspire confidence, that in canon Moriarty has a brother with the same first name (Doyle wasn't THAT good with continuity either, lol, but MoGiss have used that more than once to their advantage) and, if you look up Andrew's acting resumme, you find, that he once played twin brothers (Dying City). One of them died in the war, but the other one came back to unsettle the wife of his brother. (Of course, Andy's acting career has nothing to do with Sherlock, but on the other hand, writers don't create stories out of thin air. They are inspired by something.). Commenters at other websites pointed out, that, when Sherlock said, that you can wrap up a big lie in a whole lot of truth, he's not talking about his life story, but about Rich Brook really existing as an actor,but of course not having been hired by him. As you point out correctly, the talk about the computer code enabling to erase and create records at will is bullshit, or at least Moriarty says so. I'm not sure, if there's any more than an error to it, but this would be a BIG slip on the side of the makers.
Of course these thoughts don't square with the fact, that the name 'Rich Brook 'is supposed to allude to 'Reichenbach', though Sherlock says himself at one point, that you never can co
General Benedict Appreciation » Benedict's voice » March 26, 2012 5:31 pm |
Unfortunately neither Smaug nor the Necromancer are likely to speak the elven tongue.
I still swoon over Viggo Mortensen's fluent elvish.
General Benedict Appreciation » Benedict's voice » March 26, 2012 5:23 pm |
Irene, Sherlock, or Ben for that matter, speaking elvish - now that brilliant thought has never crossed my mind. We should contact his agent. Tolkien wrote many elvish poems. How about the song of Beren and LuthienTinuviel? Though the elvish telephone book might be fine, too. My elvish is not THAT good. Mumblings would go undetected.
General Benedict Appreciation » Benedict's voice » March 26, 2012 12:12 pm |
Same with me, he could read the phonebook or whatever.... That's why I only became a real fan, just like toberornot221b, after I got the dvd's in original language. I liked Sherlock before, but the voice got me.
General Benedict Appreciation » Benedict's voice » March 26, 2012 11:45 am |
Irene, that's absolutely beautiful! Thank you, just right for my lunch break.
Yeah, let's have a whole thread dedicated to beautiful voices!
They dub everything in Germany. Normally they do a great job, but once in a while it's a pity.
General Benedict Appreciation » Benedict splits from girlfriend » March 26, 2012 11:08 am |
No, I petted one of my tribbles. They are like cats without a brain and lower the IQ of the whole street, lol!
General Benedict Appreciation » Benedict splits from girlfriend » March 26, 2012 10:54 am |
Actually, we might just have stumbled on the clue, everybody missed. Spock really dies, but his body is conserved in deep space, and he is revived by 'Project Genesis', a secret scientific project for creating life on barren planets, which might have been developed by Dr. Stapleton in the Baskerville facilities, one of the project, she wasn't allowed to talk about. So Sherlock really jumps and dies, Molly conserves his body for three years, and Mycroft, who of course knows about the project, tells Dr. Stapleton to test Project Genesis for the first time on a human. Case closed. No clones, doppelgangers, dubious poisons or rubber balls involved. Who knew, it was that simple!
General Benedict Appreciation » Benedict splits from girlfriend » March 26, 2012 10:27 am |
Wow, that quote about Spock's ancestor! So Sherlock must have had children at some point of his life! Who was the mother? Molly or Irene??
Yes, Spock is very much the space age Sherlock. By the way, Spock dies in order to save his friends at the end of 'Wrath of Khan'. Very emotional scene. And - guess what? - he gets revived in the sequel. Everything has been there before.
My parents did not allow me to watch Startrek for some reason. Not that they had any idea what it was all about, but maybe that's the reason, why I became a fan as an adult, lol!