The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 31, 2012 6:33 am |
I never claimed, that my theory is the right one. How could I ? 'm not in the head of the writers. I even said further down the thread, that I'm not even sure, I'd like a solution along those lines.
But I do see strong inconsistencies in the depiction of a character, who gets established as a leftie, and I don't believe, that we are looking at simple quirks or mistakes here. I think the leftie theme will get used for more than the psycho war between Sherlock and Jim. I personally COULD see a viable story line here; it all depends how the script handles it. BUT I could be totally wrong and I said so before.
Though I guess, that's not the point here. Everybody has different opinions, but I would never go as far as telling a poster: 'This is simply wrong'. Isn't that an insult as well? Because we can't know for sure. None of us has exclusive insights into the heads of the authors. This is a tv show, where everything is possible. We can only try to find things we consider as clues, try to piece them together and spin a tale. If the autors spin the same tale, we don't know yet.
We exchange ideas here. If I find a poster's thoughts too wild, so what? We are dealing with a wild invented story here. So I'd suggest: Let everybody live and present his or her ideas without attaching labels like right or wrong (except factual errors of course, like having remembered something the wrong way), because we simply can't know that.
At least for me, a forum, where we can't speculate, would be pretty boring after a while. After all, there's a long wait until 2013. And when we are presented with the solutions, I guess everyone of us will eat some big slices of crow cake.
I won't have much time over the weekend, but after that, I will start a thread with discarded ideas of mine, and the reasons, why I changed my mind. Maybe it would be fun, if some posters contribute some of their discarded ideas. Let's eat some humble pie!
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 30, 2012 10:32 pm |
kazza said:
'The whole idea is simply wrong'
If you say so, kazza...., then we should just listen to you and give up our own ideas...
I just say, we will know more in 2013.
PS: I've had many ideas about the show, which I have abandoned by now, but this one is not amongst them. If I will do that for some reason, I won't be shy to let you guys know.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 30, 2012 10:25 pm |
I, for some reason throw a ball always with my right hand, even as a leftie. But I could not throw it with the other hand. I always do it with the right hand.
There are 'some people, who do some tasks with one hand and other tasks with the other hand. For example the Spanish tennis player Rafael Nadal does everything with his right hand EXCEPT playing tennis. This is called 'cross dominance'. But they always do it like this. Nadal could not play tennis with his right hand. There are very, very few people, who are true ambidexters, which means, they can perform every task with each hand, but that's very, very rare and not really an advantage, because in an emergency situation it's not good, if you have to decide first, which hand to use.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 30, 2012 10:17 pm |
No, that's certainly useful, because you say, you ALWAYS do it this way, and that's, what the huge majority of people do. So even a leftie could for some reason have learned to operate his phone solely with his right hand, but he would ALWAYS do it this way. But here we see it one way at the pool, and the other way at the Tower, and that's significant IMO.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 30, 2012 10:04 pm |
Well, I can snap fingers with both of my hands equally well, but, as a leftie I sure could not operate my phone solely with my right hand, or only very, very clumsily.
But for me it's striking, that the guy at the pool operates his phone solely with his left hand, while the guy at the Tower operates it solely with his right hand.
Since the huge majority of people have a hand preference, I don't think, it's just an actor's quirk, which went unnoticed.
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 30, 2012 9:43 pm |
tobeornot221b said:
"In the pool scene (Scandal) Moriarty seems to be righthanded because he acts as I - as a rightie - would do, namely holding the phone in my left hand and clicking fingers with my right. Doing so the other way round would be difficult for me."
I just rewatched the poolscene of 'Scandal' on my dvd, and Jim operates the phone SOLELY with his left hand, which means, he holds it in his left hand AND he does the clicking with his left hand - which is just the OPPOSITE way of the guy in the TOWER, who operates the phone solely with his right hand.
Did I misunderstand you somehow, tobeornot221b, or do we have different material? What I see, seems to strenghthen the argument, that we are dealing with two different guys here.
Meet The Members » What do you do when you're not doing Sherlock? » March 30, 2012 5:32 pm |
What do I do, when I'm not sherlocking? (Could that be a new verb?) I write and work, I absolutely love music (classical music, especially opera, blues, jazz, rock) I paint, but most of all I read. I'm really a compulsive reader, and and my kindle in connection with all the classical literature at gutenberg.org is probably my best electronic friend. And I'm crazy about movies. Unfortunately my husband (who loves music, too) doesn't share that passion, but I'm perfectly capable of going alone to the movies, if something interests me, or watch dvd's alone. Actually it can be very relaxing at times. I can fully concentrate on the movie.My younger son shares my love for the movies, and it's wonderful to watch old movies with a young person. Having done competitive sport myself during my school and university days, I love to watch sports nowadays, especially tennis. But my family and my dog keep me more than active.
All that said, I have to confess, that sherlocking is really time consuming, so I had to cut down a bit with reading to gain the amount of free time. But I consider puzzling and writing about 'Sherlock' a creative exercise. It's time well spent - at least for a while, lol!
Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » March 29, 2012 11:56 pm |
As I said, I'm not going to comment anymore, lol! We just have to wait patiently for season 3!
Good night, here it's two o'clock in the morning!
Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » March 29, 2012 11:12 pm |
Irene, those screen grabs are great; and they show exactly the little hooked metallic object, I tried to describe all the time.I just can't understand, why so many people can't see it. In the first picture it kind of looks like a white or metallic tube. In the second picture it has turned a bit and you see the tiny hooked tip sitting on Sherlock's second smallest finger. It can't be a ray of light between fingers because his fingers and finger tips are closed and the object covers the finger just a bit. Also the bright area is too wide and too defined for it beeing just a ray of light .My husband says, it looks like a tiny metal utility tool, key tip , clasp... whatever. Anyway I found a video I'm going to post, where you can see this thing turn and glitter a bit, when the hands of Jim and Sherlock move.
But thanks for posting the grabs again. I'm not going to say anything more about it, because everybody can see and decide for himself. Also I don't have a really bright idea, what it is and if it's relevant at all; I'm just sure it's there.
General Sherlock Discussion » Converting your friends and family members » March 29, 2012 2:40 pm |
My mother didn't like it either. It was just too fast paced for her. She, though she is still very much alert, didn't get half of the things they were talking about and all the technical gadgets are strange to her. So the show probably is not so suitable for the older generation. And she did not like Sherlock's voice, but that was his German voice, of course.
General Sherlock Discussion » Converting your friends and family members » March 29, 2012 1:32 pm |
Ahww, Sherlock, you have many friends in the world wide web now. And you don't have to convert us, lol! We are here, because we are bitten by the Sherlock bug.
My husband watched SiP and Reichenbach with me. He really liked SiP; 'Reichenbach' we watched for analytical reasons, so we did not really relax. Have I converted him? Certainly not! He is very disdainful of popular culture. A great mistake, as I realized again yesterday, when my foray into popular movie culture turned up yet another Rich Brooks nugget I will share with you guys tonight.
I will target my sisters and my best friends next. Being in Germany, it' a little difficult, since the Germad dvds aren't available yet, and not everyone of my friends is firm in English.
Character Analysis » Sherlock's relationship with Mycroft » March 29, 2012 9:55 am |
Yep, I agree, Sherlock. Can't wait to find out, in what way Mycroft is involved.
By the way. it's interesting that Mycroft is not a target for Moriarty's assassins, though, that could be just for the reason of Mycroft being protected too well.
Character Analysis » Sherlock's relationship with Mycroft » March 29, 2012 9:09 am |
What MoGiss did with the Mycroft character, is one of the really nice and interesting things in the show. And as far as I know, it's a first. No other screen interpretation has done it before.
I wrote in the other thread about Sherlock's smoking habit, that I thought this scene in the morgue, when Mycroft offers him a cig to test Sherlock's will power, and then, when his will power turns out to be not in such a good shape, orders John to stay with Sherlock in a 'danger night', rather touching. Though Mycroft has just declared, that caring is not an advantage, he shows nevertheless how deeply he cares for his little brother. That's one of the reasons, that I don't believe for a moment, Mycroft doesn't know about Sherlock's faked death.His cool, but thoughtful reaction to the newspaper article shows, he must be in the know.
The Hounds Of Baskerville » The first scene with Sherlock craving for a smoke/a case. » March 28, 2012 10:11 pm |
I always interpreted the scene with Mycroft offering Sherlock a cig to test his resolve, and then telling John, there might be a danger night, that John and Mrs. H were conducting a private drugs bust, so to speak, meaning they were looking for more serious things than fags, and apparently not for the first time, i.e the remark about the sock index. Mycroft would probably not ask John, who had other plans, to stay with Sherlock in a 'danger night' just because he was afraid, he'd start to smoke again. But, as you said, MoGiss are subtle with the drug allegations, since ACD never intended to show Holmes as a full blown junkie, as some more recent interpretations have done.
I find this scene rather touching, because it shows Mycroft has a heart for his little brother. He DOES care, even if caring is not an advantage.
The Reichenbach Fall » A question of common sense » March 28, 2012 9:34 pm |
Here in Germany 'Sherlock' is also shown without commercial breaks, it's on public tv. So no time to develop some common sense during the show. It's left to us puzzle-obsessed fans to dissect everything with screen grabs and slo -mo, lol!
The Reichenbach Fall » A question of common sense » March 28, 2012 6:43 pm |
The fact, that John looks for a dying Mrs. H at their Baker Street address, has bothered me quite a bit, but like you guys I certainly don't see a clue there. But I have learned a word, which was new for me, though maybe not for most of you. It's called 'fridge logic', which means, when you watch a tv show, you don't question the course of events, until you go to your fridge to fetch a beer. Then you start thinking:'Gee, that was really silly of John! Why didn't he ask the paramedic, where they took Mrs. H?' Fridge logic is tolerated for the greater good of the story line. In this case we were meant to see within a second, that the call was false, and we also got introduced to one of the potential assassins.
Sorry, if everybody has heard the word 'fridge logic' already, but for me, it's definitely new, and I'm trying to find a good German translation now, since there is a lot of that kind of logic in 'Sherlock'. They get away with it, because the show is so good, that people don't go to the fridge very often .
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 28, 2012 1:37 pm |
Thank you mOr1arty, as Davina said already, you rock! maybe you should give us 'linking lessons', lol!
Nice quote, you picked, by the way!
Wow, so Andy is a bit of a specialist in portraying twins! I overlooked that piece of information.
Personally, I feel, that strenghthens the twin theory. They might have picked Andy not only because he's a terrific actor but also because of his 'twin prowess', lol!
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 28, 2012 12:23 pm |
mOr1arty, those are two good points. They took the trouble to establish Jim as a leftie (not only the teacup, he also handles the knife with his left hand), so I expect them to use this at some point for more than just the mental chess game, Sherlock and Jim enjoy to play with each other. And, since they establish Jim as a leftie, it would be a gross oversight of the makers, if they let Andrew Scott handle the diamond and the phone the way he does it in the Tower. As I said, I'm a leftie and have done a fair bit of research on the subject. No leftie would handle the phone and the diamond like that. (the foot preference doesn't matter a whole lot in this scenario, because the foot preference in many cases is different to the hand preference). Also, as tobeornot221b pointed out, the guy at the pool in Scandal seems to handle the phone as a right handed guy would do.
Of course, it's quite possible to chalk up all those observations as consistency mistakes, but again, why then did they take the trouble to establish Jim Moriarty as a leftie? And since they did, I would expect them to show him consistently as a leftie. Everything else is a mistake.
From a script writer's perspective, the fact, that Moriarty has a brother in canon, might be important. Also creative ideas don't come out of thin air. You make your stories up from material that surrounds you and might be potential fodder for your imagination. Personally I find it very intriguing, that Andrew Scott had a double role as twins in the 2006 play 'Dying City' . Whoever is interested, should read the Variety review (I tried to link it, but it didn't work; but you find it easily, if you google Variety Reviews Dying City May 28 2006; mOr1arty was so nice to give us a link in his following comment). One scene, they describe, I found very interesting: Andrew Scott goes into a bed room as one character, but returns after a short moment as the other character. Isn't that exactly the scenario, we were joking about yeste
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 9:30 pm |
Davina, I had EXactly the same thought about the pool scene: one goes, the other one pops out, lol,lol,lol!
Ok, Really good night, this is getting too hilarious!
The Reichenbach Fall » Richard Brook » March 27, 2012 9:26 pm |
Yes, mOr1arty, Janus Cars could be a hint! Though I was always under the impression, that the first episodes were written without a clear idea, where they would take the show in the second season, because they didn't know if there would be a second season at all. But they might have had some ideas, how they might like continue and put in the options...
I'm going to bed, guys! Sometimes I hate this show, lol!