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Character Analysis » Is Sherlock humanised through John? » January 11, 2017 11:12 pm

I  think this is very much an aspect of both the original Strand stories and the show, but especially the show.

John is Sherlock's first real, honest friend (I don't count Trevor). Sherlock knew people before, but he never had a friend. This is because friendship is a mutual love. It requires two-sided dedication and appreciation. Before John, Sherlock made it his modus operandi to avoid/abjure all these things, hence no actual friends.


John was an honest good person who was too stubborn to let Sherlock carry on pretending to be a machine/dickwad. He forced Sherlock to confront his personal demons (drug abuse, cynicism, disregard for other humans, thrill-addiction, self-absoption) vis-a-vis. You can see this particularly in The Abominable Bride.
John constantly functions as Sherlock's conscience, questioning Sherlock's drug habits ("You will hold yourself to a higher standard.") and denial of emotion ("Why do you need to be alone?"). If in Sherlock's mind Moriarty represents Sherlock's weakness and fear, then John represents his humanity and morality. In the end of TAB, John kicks Moriarty over the water fall, showing that Sherly is ready to give up his former weakness and let himself be good.
S3E1 Sherlock even hears John's voice in his head when he goes on that case with Molly ("Show-off").

So, yeah I agree.

General Sherlock Discussion » Flaws in This Beautiful Show: Your Personal Pet Peeves » January 11, 2017 10:53 pm

We all love Sherlock.
I personally have found few shows I enjoy so honestly, or that can make me truly fangirl.
However, only God, the Virgin, and dark chocolate are perfect, and Sherlock ain't any of these.

So, what bugs you about this show?

You don't have to be objective. It can be as minor and petty as you like.

My number 1:the false cliffhangers/suspense.
I love me some drama, but I like drama that delivers. 90% of the time Sherlock delivers well and beautifully. However-
1. S1E3 Moriarty is going to kill them, but then he doesn't. Everything is okay. Oh, wait, Moriarty changes his mind. He's going to kill them! -CLIFFHANGER-S2E1 Moriarty gets a call and changes his mind again. The whole suspense of the first season is dropped.
2. S2E1-Adler is dead. No, wait, she lied. She's alive! Oh, okay, terrorists killed her finally. Tragic...No, wait, Sherlock went all the way to Karachi to save her. She's alive! Guess the emotional impact of "Goodbye Mr. Holmes" falls flat.
3. S2-S3: Moriarty is dead! No, he's alive. The Abominable Bride: Moriarty is really truly dead. Really-
4. The Abominable Bride's confusing end scene-Just a bit too much guys.


Of course, we all knew Sherlock's death was faked because of the original ACD material, so I don't include that.

The Lying Detective also seems to have put some possible false suspense at the end, but I can't call that till next week.

So, what irritates you guys?

Character Analysis » Molly Hooper » January 9, 2017 7:28 am

Liberty wrote:

How do we know she was in school (medical school?) for most of her twenties?   Most courses are five years, so she'd be qualified at age 23 if she went straight from high school.  Do we have some other background on her that I've missed?  (Or do you mean her specialist training?)

I think what I'd change about your list is that she is more Sherlock focused.  She doesn't steal bodies for any friends, I don't think, but does it because it's Sherlock.   She's not just looking for a man in her life, but secretly wants it to be Sherlock, so looks for a Sherlock substitute and is disappointed (although I think she's coming to terms).  Although she appears very sweet, we have seen her be violent a couple of times, which was unexpected. 

This isn't a spoiler thread, so I won't say much, but it will be interesting to see where they go with the character in S4.  I don't think we've had the full story yet. 
 

Oh, haha
I totally didn't look up how med school is in Britain. Specialist training is separate from a complete medical degree for the Brits?

You're right. Sherlock is definitely her exception-to-many-many-rules.

The violence is kind of fun when it's there because it's generally justified. Though, slapping a drugged-up man much bigger than her was a bit rash/brave.

I like how she's progressed to the point where she is still a good friend to Sherlock and still very generous and kind, but no longer takes his bullshit.

No, we have definitely not had the full story yet. Gatiss and Moffat need to do justice to their first original character.
And by justice, I don't mean get her a solid romance (I mean, possibly). They need to give her a complete arc, no matter how small.

Character Analysis » Molly Hooper » December 30, 2016 8:24 pm

Yeah, let's talk about Molly.

What we know:

She is a pathologist: she spent most of her twenties in school becoming a physician, likes investigating medical mysteries (cause of death), is fascinated by human physiology in corpses, works around the dead mostly, and is an extensive resource for Sherlock Holmes.

She likes sociopathic men (particularly if they whip corpses, apparently).
She likes mismatched patterns and bright girlish but practical fashion.
She is socially awkward, and has a morbid sense of humor, but is very emotionally intelligent ("I know what that means, looking sad when no one can see you").
She has rather low self-esteem ("I don't count").
Her father is dead.
She doesn't have a problem manipulating the law for friends (stealing a body for Sherlock).
She is friends with John, Mary, Sherlock, Mrs. Hudson, and Lestrade.
She is very loyal.
She is seemingly anxious to have a man in her life, so she's probably quite lonely.

What else?
 

Character Analysis » If Sherlock is straight, then he's really sick » December 27, 2016 1:14 am

Schmiezi wrote:

I must admit that I read this post thrice and still don't quite know how to comment on it. Somehow it doesn't sit right with me. Let me just point out a few thoughts. I am sure that there will be more profound comments soon.

Thouturdofperdition wrote:

We all know that Sherlock is mentally ill. He has self-esteem so low his soul-blood is hypo-tonic. He has clinical Depression up the wazoo. He's an addict to a life-threatening degree. He's a dick-and-a-half to everyone, including his BFF 5-ever, John. The man is damn loony.

Sorry, "we all" don't know that. I mean: Seriously? Do you really watch the show thinking Sherlock is a clinically depressed man? Where exactly do you see the symptoms?

Well, yeah, he seems like it: drastic mood swings, deep self-absorption, thrill-addiction, little regard for his own life (S1E1, Cabbie-psycho: "you'll do anything to stop being bored"), very deceptive behavior (TAB Mycroft-"No one deceives like an addict") etc.
TAB: Mycroft-"Because in your case Sherlock, solitary confinement is locking you up with your own worst enemy"

Or maybe I tend to see it in people even it's not there. I myself have been diagnosed with clinical depression and anxiety (voices, panic attacks, insomnia, compulsions, paranoia, the whole shebang), and have dealt with it on and off for a little more than a decade now. Sherlock looks like he has many of the subtle symptoms. His personality is strong enough to eclipse the disease, if it is there.

Low self-esteem is not an illness, and let's not forget that Sherlock's low self-esteem is only about human relationship. He is very sure about his abilities to solve crimes, for example.

Being addicted does not mean you are "a damn loony".

You're right that low self-esteem isn't an official mental illness itself, but it perpetuates and exacerbates most of them. It's kind of like weight-gain. Being overweight is not exactly an illness itself, but it can greatly predispose o

Character Analysis » Moriarty's Sexuality » December 23, 2016 11:01 pm

Honestly, a lot of mass-murderers in history have been just turned on by violence or threatening people. Adrei Chikatilo is one. Jeffery Dahmer is another. They are not sexually attracted to people, they are simply addicted to watching people hurt. Physical desire isn't their motivation. Hatred is. I think the BBC Moriarty is the same way. He gets a kick out of terrorizing and manipulating Sherlock.
"We don't need toys to kill each other. Where's the intimacy in that?"

So, I don't think Moriarty would ever actually want to be physically sexual with Sherlock, because for Moriarty, the pleasure comes from burning him.

Character Analysis » If Sherlock is straight, then he's really sick » December 23, 2016 10:42 pm

We all know that Sherlock is mentally ill. He has self-esteem so low his soul-blood is hypo-tonic. He has clinical Depression up the wazoo. He's an addict to a life-threatening degree. He's a dick-and-a-half to everyone, including his BFF 5-ever, John. The man is damn loony.

However, if he's not actually Asexual, but heterosexual, then he is even more vulnerable.

First, I'll go over the reasons why the BBC version of Sherlock is probably straight rather than Ace. Then we can talk about how his illness is reflected in his sexuality.

S3E3: When Magnusson evaluates Sherlock thru his mental catalog, he puts "normal" under the category "Porn Preference". If "Normal" means "Average", then it probably means average for a man. In most studied countries, 90-96% of people claim heterosexuality, so the average porn preference for a man would probably feature women.

TAB: In Sherlock's mind, his bestie John confronts him about his secret affection for Irene Adler, and questions Sherlock embarrassingly on his "need to be alone". John claims he doesn't believe Sherlock honestly isn't attracted to women and romance. Obviously, this all takes place in Sherlock's brain, so Sherlock is questioning himself on these things.
Later, in the crypt with the secret society, Sherlock is explaining the "League of Furies" to John when he says "A league of furies awakened. The women I...We have lied to, betrayed." Sherlock is manifestly guilty about how he's treated women in his life (specifically Molly and Janine). He's guilty enough to dream about it while trying to solve a crime. Problem is, he's screwed over a lot of people in his life (Mycroft, John, Lestrade, his parents etc.), but why is he so concerned about the girls who loved him?

S2E1: Moriarty begins Sherlock's Fall by sending Adler to him. I'd like to think that Moriarty is particularly adept at reading Sherlock, and people's wants and needs in general (it's how he makes his living, much like Adler). However, what is the point i

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