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Character Analysis » Moriarty's Sexuality » December 5, 2016 10:34 am

Liberty wrote:

I kind of head-canon him as gay, but I don't know if it really matters.  I agree that there does seem to be a sexual element in his attraction to Sherlock.  Sherlock certainly sees him as sexual.  But I think Moriarty also uses sexuality to unsettle people, regardless of gender, in a similar way to Magnussen.  I don't think it's so much a case of him fancying them as him wanting to make them uncomfortable or maybe manipulate them. 

I don't think Jim from IT is an aspect of Moriarty.   I think he's entirely a creation of Moriarty's, a disguise.  The signs that Sherlock picks up on are all clues that Moriarty left for him.   Which was quite audacious really - he absolutely fools Molly, which is probably easy enough, but with Sherlock he lets him think that he sees through him, when in fact he's only seeing the surface layer.  He doesn't pick up that this is somebody in disguise.  I love that scene ... particularly as Sherlock is pointing out that John misses out on anything important with the shoes, while doing exactly the same thing with Jim!

I too loved that scene  I agree with your point that 'Jim from It'  was a facade Moriarty put on to make a fool out of Sherlock and all the other points about him using sexuality to intimidate people but I just feel that Moriarty's psychotic obsession with Sherlock has some how manifested into sexual infatuation and attraction or it might just be that he's attracted to intelligence which is what I think of Sherlock but we won't get into that just yet.
When we see Moriarty interact with other although it's only been a few times he not as sensual, for lack of a better word,  shall we say than he is towards Sherlock. You could argue that he does this to make Sherlock uncomfortable but I feel like he does it in a way that Sherlock would observe it to be him trying to make him uncomfortable but it's actually Jim expressing his attraction towards Sherlock. Cuz if there is one thing Jim Moriarty is

Character Analysis » Moriarty's Sexuality » December 4, 2016 5:26 pm

Sexuality isn't really looked at that much in Sherlock but I was re-watching a compilation of Sherlock and Moriarty scenes and a got a real feeling of sexual tension mostly on Moriarty's part. Like when I watch Moriarty and Sherlock I feel like he wants to rip him face off at the same time he wants to rip his clothes off. Personally I feel like Moriaty is sexually flexible like he's whatever sexually orientation he needs to be to get people to do what he want. But I feel like he was born gay and that Sherlock is his type and personally I'm not sure what sexuality Sherlock is but I feel like Moriarty's really attracted to Sherlock. Like when he plays "Jim from accounting" I feel like he was revealing his inner self.

Tell me what you think.

Character Analysis » Why Now Moriarty? » December 4, 2016 5:13 pm

It's obvious that Moriarty has known about Sherlock since they were kids (the case of the drowned boy - Sherlock's first ever case that he wasn't able to solve) but why does he approach him now 22 years later. Sherlock had know idea who he was and I think he would have been happy having no idea who Moriarty was. He was the one who put himself on Sherlock's radar (through the cab driver).
I have a few theories as to why Moriarty is now targeting Sherlock.

1) He's Angry at Sherlock - As we all know Sherlock has an obsessive personality and he was obsessed about the case of the drowned boy and he was close to solving it but didn't have all the pieces so he gave up. I think that angered young Moriarty because this little genius had found his counter part and he just gave up on him he wasn't good enough for the great Sherlock to obsess over. So he created an evil empire became a Consulting crimanl and now that he was on top of the world he would take Sherlock down.

2) He was bored - Like Sherlock he is also an adrenaline junkie and he basically has the criminal world at his feet none could stop him, none even came close except for Sherlock and he wanted to go up against someone he felt was his intellectual match and like Sherlock he is/was willing to die to prove his intelligence.

3) Moriarty was dying - I felt like Moriarty had the criminal world at his feet, he had everything and he was happy but he had like a brain tumour ( like the cab driver) or something and he wanted to go out on a high by defeating his long time enemy Sherlock(unbeknown to the latter), because I felt like Moriarty put way too much effort into the destruction of Sherlock for him just being bored I feel like he knew he wasn't going to live through it and you know what they say "Go big or go home". And technically when Moriarty shot himself in the head he was winning, if he is in fact dead, he died haven beaten Sherlock.

These are my theories please tell me what you think.

Character Analysis » Analysis Mycroft » December 4, 2016 5:00 pm

Lola Red wrote:

still don't know who is behind the conveniently-timed Moriarty GIF and Mycroft has straight out told the shadow government that they will always need Sherlock.

I think you've made some valid point and my theory so far on the Moriarty thing is that he trained an apprentice I feel like Moriarty always has a back up plan, so in the event that Sherlock did survive and he didn't he trained someone to continue his work.
 

Character Analysis » Analysis Mycroft » November 29, 2016 2:50 am

JP wrote:

Folks, if Sherlock really wanted to kill himself by overdosing - he would be dead. Just saying.

You have a point. Personally I think that if Sherlock were to kill himself he would end more spectacularly. He would want people to talk about how he died like when he did in the Reichenbach Fall.

Character Analysis » Analysis Mycroft » November 28, 2016 10:14 pm

SusiGo wrote:

I really do not think that this is about boredom at this point. Sherlock tries to kill himself on the plane and not because he is bored but because he does not want to lose John and his life all over again and die alone somewhere in Eastern Europe. 

I completely agree with that but personally I felt like Mycroft was trying to be kind he's just out of touch with the new set of priorities his brother has because pre-John I think Sherlock would have been excited about this mission rather than depressed.

Character Analysis » Analysis Mycroft » November 28, 2016 10:11 pm

Liberty wrote:

My pet theory is that he was setting up John to get rid of Magnussen, and is shocked when Sherlock takes the fall 

I agree with that and I think he misjudged Sherlock's love for John, but I also think he thought if John was in harms way Sherlock's mind would go into overdrive and figure out a way to defeating Magnussen he just didn't expect that he would shoot someone for John.
 

Character Analysis » Analysis Mycroft » November 28, 2016 10:05 pm

SusiGo wrote:

Sorry, but I cannot for the life of me see Mycroft as being kind in this case. Sherlock is deeply unhappy, if not heartbroken, on the tarmac and allegedly tries to kill himself. I do not think he sees it as a challenge to go on the mission. 

Don't get me wrong I'm not going to go around giving Mycroft the brother of the year award any time soon but I feel he did the kinder thing because in jail Sherlock would be bored out of his mind and to Sherlock that is like death. And although he's unhappy about having to leave at least he won't be bored he might be away from everything he loves to the point that he almost over dosed he would have been miserable but not bored which I think Sherlock would rather have.

General Sherlock Discussion » Sherlock Who? » November 28, 2016 9:54 pm

Does anyone think ther might be a Sherlock dr cross over.

Character Analysis » Analysis Mycroft » November 28, 2016 9:32 pm

Liberty wrote:

It's not a "dangerous case" so much as an almost certain death sentence.  

Lady Smallwood may have thought this was cruel but Sherlock would have seen this as the best Christmas present he'd ever been given. A common person would have chosen jail over a certain death situation but not Sherlock and Mycroft knows that when given this case Sherlock doesn't complain he probably would have willingly taken the case were the circumstances different. Therefore Mycroft is actually being kind because although it seems like a punishment to the Layman to Sherlock its the biggest challenge of his life "can I face certain death and use my powers of deduction to beat it?".
 

Character Analysis » Analysis Mycroft » November 28, 2016 9:01 pm

Liberty wrote:

He does occasionally put Sherlock in danger.  The hiatus must have been risky (even the fall was risky!).  And of course, he sends him off to his probable death (or appears to!) at the end of HLV.   He even makes the point that he won't give in to sentimentality over it. 

Sorry to say this but I believe you are wrong everything Mycroft does in regards to Sherlock has everything to do with sentimentality although he says otherwise. Mycrofts missions for Sherlock only ever put him in more trouble but Mycroft knows his brother would never take a case if there wasn't at least a 70% chance he could get hurt, go insane (Baskerville) or die therefore those are the cases he gives him because Sherlock is an adrenaline junkie and if he doesn't get his high off his cases he does drugs and that is the last thing Mycroft want therefore he gives him dangerous cases.
 

Character Analysis » Analysis Mycroft » November 28, 2016 8:54 pm

kgreen20 wrote:

Sherlock ended up foisting that job on John.

I don't think he foisted it to John because as Sherlock said he'd been following John the entire case I just think he had John look into it to satisfy Mycroft as Mycroft always has them on surveillance if he saw John looking into it he would think they were on the case as Sherlock trusts John
 

Character Analysis » Analysis Mycroft » November 28, 2016 8:51 pm

SusiGo wrote:

Question: is this a good thing? I doubt this.

I think his obsession is a good thing as he only seems to have his brothers best interest in mind. Like when he first approached John I think that was to see if John would betray Sherlock or not which he didn't. And whenever it looks like Sherlock might be getting back on drugs he's the first to notice and ask Sherlock for the list. I think so far his obsession is healthy and he does't get in his brothers way or becomes dangerously obsessive like Moriarty.
 

Character Analysis » Analysis Mycroft » November 27, 2016 10:39 pm

This has probably been discussed but I was recently re-omnibus Sherlock. An I realised that Mycroft basicaly lives for his brother. They're supposed to have this strained relationship but Mycroft is constantly using his position to get Sherlock out of trouble he even goes to Sherlock to solves crimes he could easily do being the supposedly superior brother. I feel like Mycroft might have even become part of the secret service to be able to look after his brother. The way I see it Sherlock has John, Mary, Molly, Mrs Hudson, DI Lestrade and Mycroft but all Mycroft has is Sherlock. Because of the demands of his job he's not allowed to surround himself with people therefore I feel that Sherlock is in some way his obsession. For example the first episode Sherlock had only known John for a few hours and Mycroft had tracked him down which shows that he has Sherlock on surveillance and even takes time out of his schedule to confront the new person in his brothers life. Like when Sherlock "died" I knew he did not really die cus I felt like Mycroft would have been destroyed cus yeah John lost his best friend but Mycroft lost his brother and basically his entire life apart form his work.

This is a huge jumble and quite repetitive of some of the other post but whatever. Please tell me what u think. Be kind.

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