SusiGo wrote:

ewige wrote:

I have nothing clever to add to that, but what do you mean "continuity errors with the lamps", Rache?

I think this refers to a scene in which a lamp in 221b keeps going on and off within the same scene and without any explanation. I saw screenshots of this but I cannot remember which scene it was. 

About the theories: I think it is telling that people try to find alternative explanations of the many plotholes and inconsistencies within the show. I enjoyed series 4 but there are indeed some things that would leave me dissatisfied if the show ended here. Therefore to me it is a creative way of dealing with one's perception of the show. In this case, however, I would always prefer a "in Sherlock's head" solution because there are so many things in TFP John could not have known. 
 

This was during the grenade explosion scene in 221B. The lamps were on when the three men were discussing their escape, but as soon as the countdown began and they started running, all the lamps were off. Literally from one shot to the next, for no apparent reason.

I think this theory about John is interesting, but SusiGo, I would tend to agree with you... TFP told from Sherlock's perspective makes much more sense than if it was told from John's. Aside from the family history that John couldn't possibly have known, it would also explain a number of things about Mycroft...

For example:
Why he is shown as "fat Mycroft" in the flashbacks, even though Mycroft was definitely not fat in the photo of him and Sherlock at the beach as kids (this photo is in 221B). The only "fat Mycroft" we've seen to date had basically all been in Sherlock's head.

Why Sherlock had always been the "grown up"!?! 

Why Mycroft was dumbed down a lot in TFP... in fact his character portrayal confused me at times. For example it was John who recognised it was the Governor speaking in the Eurus CCTV video. (Mycroft di

Lis wrote:

Possibly, but you'd think that even if they didn't think she were capable you'd have a quick look everywhere just to make sure. Also when she started referring to him as "drowned Redbeard" that must have set some alarm bells ringing. It might have indeed been too late by then to save him but clearly as the bones were in the well they didn't ever find him.

+1 on this. "Drowned Redbeard" must have been a pretty obvious giveaway...

angel-loving-star wrote:

besleybean wrote:

I definitely think it's all real.
Because if it wasn't...we would still have the problem of Eurus and Redbeard to deal with and I think we're done with these now.

well that's true ;) I was trying to get my head around the writing problems of the episode and if it all was real either they did it on purpose or they have something else in mind so yeah I'm just gonna wait for them to finally talk to social media because this crazy silence is weird

No that's not necessarily true. By now I'm sure we're all in agreement that Sherlock solved the problem of Emilia Ricoletti and The Abominable Bride whilst in his mind palace... and that clearly "wasn't real" in the sense that it didn't happen in the modern day storyline. So what stops him from solving the problems of Eurus and Redbeard in the same way?

Additional materials which completes the storyline of S4 would not necessarily mean negating what has been shown to us already.

 

But they wouldn't have had to shoot a whole separate episode. If the plot of the fourth one is to recount the *real* sequence of events throughout the previous three, then all they would have needed to do was shoot additional scenes *thoughout all three episodes*. In fact, if you go through the setlock diaries, it is clear there are complete scenes filmed throughout the whole summer that we never saw in the three episodes that have aired.

Right now we are on the total count of 13 episodes of Sherlock. I personally don't buy into all of the (often far fetched) conspiracy theories... but I believe there will be a 14th episode of Sherlock for a slightly different reason.

Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce made 14 films of Sherlock Holmes in the 40s. We all know by now this is by far Gatiss and Moffat's favourite series of Sherlock Holmes. They are real fanboys of this series... So it is almost illogical to believe they would just stop at 13 and not do a 14th episode. To them, 14 episodes which mimic Rathbone/ Bruce would probably be (their) wish fulfilment.

 

Preceja wrote:

TheOtherOne wrote:

Sherlock killed Magnussen on Christmas Day 2014. The events of season 4, with Mary giving birth etc. must follow straight on from S3 story line, which means the show is currently in 2015. "Christmas 5 years ago" would have been 2010. That was the night of the Christmas party in 221B when Sherlock discovered Irene's phone on the mantlepiece (and her fake death).

According to CAM Sherlock was dead 2010-2013. So was not it rather Christmas 2009 ?

No. That's 2011-2013


 

NoSheetSherlock wrote:

Schmiezi wrote:

A little question: they kept saying Moriarty visited Eurus five years ago. What happened on the show five years ago? Was it even before the pool scene? Some when during ASIB?

I am really lousy with understanding the time frame of the show.

 

Didn't Mycroft have him all during the Hounds of Baskerville timeframe "we interrogated him for weeks".. ?

ASiB seems more likely.

Sherlock killed Magnussen on Christmas Day 2014. The events of season 4, with Mary giving birth etc. must follow straight on from S3 story line, which means the show is currently in 2015. "Christmas 5 years ago" would have been 2010. That was the night of the Christmas party in 221B when Sherlock discovered Irene's phone on the mantlepiece (and her fake death).

Wanted to start a thread to log all of the outstanding questions/ plot holes that remain post S4.

List so far (I'll keep adding to it) includes:

* What was in John's note to Sherlock at end of TST?
* Why was there a note which said "13th" on Mycroft's fridge? ("Where" was Mycroft in that scene? It certainly didn't look like the mansion setting in TFP?)
* Alicia/ Elizabeth Smallwood?
* Who was Culverton Smith and Eurus' "mutual friend"?
* What is Sherlock's recurring dream?
* How was Eurus actually "written out" from Sherlock's memories? (That's what she claimed in TFP).
* What were Sherlock's trigger words that Mycroft referred to? (Aside from the obvious one... Redbeard).
* If Moriarty's little "miss me" video was really Eurus all along, what did Sherlock "think" it meant when he told everyone at end of TAB that he knows "what he's going to do next"?
* If Moriarty knew Sherlock would end up in the locked room with Mycroft (Holmes killing Holmes) as part of Eurus' game, that meant he knew Sherlock would survive the fall! Why hire those assassins to target John, Lestrade and Mrs. Hudson??? He set all that up just to kill himself?
* Who is posting those "Miss Me" and "Miss You" DVDs for Mary post her death?
* Why is "Hound of the Baskervilles" one of Sherlock's pressure points? Why was it listed without a "see file" note on Magnussen's list?

 

My favourite up until S4 had always been Moriarty. But after The Final Problem I'm not sure anymore...

As a result of introducing a character that doesn't even exist in ACD canon, they have reduced Moriarty to some puppet who basically recorded stupid video clips for an even bigger bad boss Eurus. I'm still not sure how I feel about that... but it's disappointing.

TheOtherOne wrote:

besleybean wrote:

Sorry, I honestly don't know how to get a link to it on here...

Click on Nakahara's first spoiler box, follow that link and then scroll right down the Twitter feed it takes you to.

I think it's been removed. But I assume this was Moffatt's response to one of the questions during Q&A last night? (I was there...)

Ok I found the video. I'm a bit upset people actually recorded this given Steven and Mark both asked us nicely not to record or disclose anything on more than one occasion during the screening.

besleybean wrote:

Oh well I'm sorry for mentioning it on the JL thread, then!
Thanks, Nakahara: I scrolled down and watched the vid, did everybody else?
Steven was excellent as usual.
He gave the answer I would have expected and I can only agree with him.

Which vid are you referring to?