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The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 10, 2014 10:06 am

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I assume, jumping into a fireman's net and stage that performance around isn't as simple as you think. People, equipment, stuff, timing... Your differences to the Anderson story are just in details, imo. (Net instead of the pillow, mycrofts agents instead of the homeless...) And for me, that doesn't work, it isn't simple enough.

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 9, 2014 5:45 pm

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I've got some nice ideas, too, how an explanation in the 3rd episode could be revisited (if the bbc allows), but that's quite far...

Bruce Cook wrote:

"John, complicated plans look great on paper.  Simple plans works."

Nice words. But if there was no plan behind? Just fortune? Sherlock would have a legitimate interest keeping this a secret... hopefully not for John...

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 8, 2014 8:53 pm

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Well, Bruce Cook, you've collected several points, why the "theory 3" wouldn't work. But what do you think, what's left, if the impossible is eliminated? For theorizing: http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=115756#p115756

So at the end Sherlock simply fell and survived. If Moffat, Gatiss und Co. want leaving it a secret for us, well...

The Empty Hearse » How he did it - Theory/ theories after seing The Empty Hearse » January 8, 2014 5:29 pm

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@ Wholocked, Yeahright: Thank you for your explanation of the Hollow Client. My english isn't enough for enjoying the blog.

I agree, Sherlock would realize an empty suit in a chair. Or he's extremly out of charakter (or drunken again). But I don't see it as such a hint for the Reichenbachfall. But maybe the mirrors and surface thing are just another reference to the fans who like magician and illusionist ideas. Like Gatiss, Moffat und Co. in the Empty Hearse refered to the fans who like bungee or the blue pillows or the idea of a big conspiracy of Mycrofts.

All people want Sherlock to be clever, best prepared and complete controlling all eventualities all around. What if he's not? That's why most of the people (fandom, Anderson, ... John?) are pleased with the end of Empty Hearse. (And for that, btw, it's a nice ending.) But I would say the character of Sherlocks prefers simple ways. The clever image is derived from the character of his cases, which are clever and well prepared. But I've never seen Sherlock going complicate ways. And if even the sqashball is to much equipment for the fall, so I'm standing at no performances, no pillow/ net, no corpse... and of course no mirrors, sorry

Earlier Moffat (?) said, all the clues are in the Reichenbach Fall. And for me that works. (Edit: in combination with the Canon)

The Empty Hearse » How he did it - Theory/ theories after seing The Empty Hearse » January 8, 2014 12:27 am

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Yeahright wrote:

his blogger, his housekeeper, and his pet policeman

LOL!

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 8, 2014 12:16 am

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Wholocked wrote:

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Well, apparently the BBC have made a statement that the theory told to Anderson is how he did it and it won't be revisted again.

http://cumberbatchweb.tumblr.com/post/72599886283/so-wait-does-this-mean-when-sherlock-was-telling

It appeared few days ago and you can read the text of the article here: http://distractions40.tumblr.com/post/72347358621

But who cares about sunday times and "the bbc"?

I'm disappointed that they're not going to give us an explanation that actually makes sense, but I think the BBC are a reliable source in answer to that, no?

I don't know. Why some nameless from the BBC say it, not the officials of the production? Sunday Times gets the only quote that it will be final? After the hype? Guess more papers asked the bbc about it... whatever.

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 7, 2014 11:54 pm

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Wholocked wrote:

Well, apparently the BBC have made a statement that the theory told to Anderson is how he did it and it won't be revisted again.

http://cumberbatchweb.tumblr.com/post/72599886283/so-wait-does-this-mean-when-sherlock-was-telling

It appeared few days ago and you can read the text of the article here: http://distractions40.tumblr.com/post/72347358621

But who cares about sunday times and "the bbc"?

The Empty Hearse » How he did it - Theory/ theories after seing The Empty Hearse » January 7, 2014 11:46 pm

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Yeahright wrote:

If you're still theorizing and haven't read the hollow client entry on John's blog go read it. Veeeery interesting also frustratingly confusing yet still could be a clue to how he did the fall.
And to those who've read it doesn't it strike you how out of character Sherlock is? How he lists ridiculous theory after theory outloud, infront of John? Also theimprobableone aka Anderson comments on it and everyone on the blog's glad he's back. Sherlock knew John would blog about it.

Nice story. But I missed, how the suit went to the chair, whatever.
I don't think, there are hints in the blog. Because John don't know. (And maybe something is private.)

The Empty Hearse » How he did it - Theory/ theories after seing The Empty Hearse » January 7, 2014 11:19 pm

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Yeahright wrote:

But the improbableone's comment is dismissive of the ridiculous non-case. What drew my attention was the mention of a complex set of mirrors and ninjas. Optical illusions are the corner stones of magic tricks. David Copperfield's old tricks of hiding planes and statues and buildings live and in plain view come to mind. There exists this sort of polarized glass (I'm not sure of the correct terminology) that renders objects placed behind it invisible.
Hello chalked out rectangle which could have been a chamber with a safety net or something hidden behind it .The special glass walls were quickly dismantled and hidden in the laundry van.
And speaking of the Elephant in the room didn't Copperfield once made an elephant invisible too?

Didn't understand it all, it's complicated. Copperfield, elephants, special glass and ninjas? But nope. And the laundry van was needed for Sherlocks fall in. (imo)

The Empty Hearse » How he did it - Theory/ theories after seing The Empty Hearse » January 7, 2014 11:05 pm

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s.he http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=117595#p117595 wrote:

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Mary Me wrote:

John was in shock and you do not simply question if your best friend is actually dead after he jumped off a roof regardless if you're allowed to check his pulse for 3 seconds only. You're in shock and you believe it. It's a very human thing to do.

Which is my point, the rubberball as a device to fool Watson was unnecessary, ergot fake solution. Similar to the heroic Molly kissing in the first theory. That was the point that totally convinced me we were being duped, even if I was suspending my disbelief during the bungee rope or big blue air bag.

Even so John is a medical doctor, an experienced field army doctor. He ran over to Sherlock not to cry over spilled blood. He ran over to offer medical assistance, to save his friend's life. Even in shock, any physician can carry out a primary survey, it's what they're trained to do, also being "in shock" is not what it looks like in movies.
 

Obviously of course was John in shock. I've read some interesting in the subtitles. All the people around John say to him:

"It's alright, it's alright."

How about that completely another story: No need for a rubberball and no bloodthings and such staff. It was not a necessary secret, that there was still a pulse. Because Sherlock really was more or less seriously injured. Around them were not the homeless, just passersby in front of a hospital, who cared about John and Sherlock til the emergencys came. And we don't know, when John get the fact of Sherlocks "death". Did I mentioned, I don't buy the whole Big Brother Conspiracy. (because of lots of reasons. Edit: One of them: There is no keycode, DOOFUS!)

And did I mentioned, of course I will accept und respect the end of the Reichenbach riddle. And there were lots of really nice ideas to handle the expectance of the audience. I like both films, Reichenbachfall and Empty Hearse, very much. (I'm curious about my

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 7, 2014 10:56 pm

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Yeahright wrote:

Mary Me wrote:

John was in shock and you do not simply question if your best friend is actually dead after he jumped off a roof regardless if you're allowed to check his pulse for 3 seconds only. You're in shock and you believe it. It's a very human thing to do.

Which is my point, the rubberball as a device to fool Watson was unnecessary, ergot fake solution. Similar to the heroic Molly kissing in the first theory. That was the point that totally convinced me we were being duped, even if I was suspending my disbelief during the bungee rope or big blue air bag.

Even so John is a medical doctor, an experienced field army doctor. He ran over to Sherlock not to cry over spilled blood. He ran over to offer medical assistance, to save his friend's life. Even in shock, any physician can carry out a primary survey, it's what they're trained to do, also being "in shock" is not what it looks like in movies.
 

Obviously of course was John in shock. I've read some interesting in the subtitles. All the people around John say to him:

"It's alright, it's alright."

How about that completely another story: No need for a rubberball and no bloodthings and such staff. It was not a necessary secret, that there was still a pulse. Because Sherlock really was more or less seriously injured. Around them were not the homeless, just passersby in front of a hospital, who cared about John and Sherlock til the emergencys came. And we don't know, when John get the fact of Sherlocks "death". Did I mentioned, I don't buy the whole Big Brother Conspiracy. (because of lots of reasons. Edit: One of them: There is no keycode, DOOFUS!)

And did I mentioned, of course I will accept und respect the end of the Reichenbach riddle. And there were lots of really nice ideas to handle the expectance of the audience. I like both films, Reichenbachfall and Empty Hearse, very much. (I'm curious about my next week thinking. :-/)

For theorizing: http://sherlock.boardhost.com/vie

The Empty Hearse » How he did it - Theory/ theories after seing The Empty Hearse » January 6, 2014 11:14 pm

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The thing with the recall code. Or what was going on between Sherlock and Moriarty?

Sanaz wrote:

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Sanaz, no, so far, that was never explained. As to Sherlock laughing: That was self explanatory: He realized, that there must be a recall code for the snipers, since Moriarty said, even, if he was tortured, he wasn't going to stop the killers, which implies, they could be stopped. I even have an idea by now, what the recall code might have been.

 but isn't obvious? i mean does it take Sherlock to know that Moriarty can call off the snipers?

For me, the recall thing doesn't make sense, it is banal and simply feels wrong. Of course is Moriarty able to stop this operation. But of course he never would do this, because he felt save in his plan to destroy Sherlock. And it doesn't make sense to keep Moriarty alive for stopping the killer. He always can send a signal to start the operation. His man above the roofs would see or get it.

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It was a powerplay between them. Suppose it was an equal powerplay, Moriarty had the upper hand sometimes. And sometimes Sherlock had control. But who when and when it changes?

At the first watching my feeling was, the recall code was just playing for time. But maybe there was more behind. The Sherlock-Moriarty thing is an equal powerplay and Sherlock playes for his life and the lifes of his friends. Moriarty had the upper hand. After the privacy moment Sherlock offered Moriarty, he can easy tell him the recall code. ... Because...? Why should Moriarty tell him? Maybe Sherlock offers him an escape. Or what else would happen? Sherlock didn't say it clearly, but he had seen the chance for an escape, but for that Moriarty must die. He would never get a recall out of him. And Moriarty understand and accept this? Was he an obsessed psychopath who felt safe in his plan? But why does it matter, that Moriarty preferes suicide? Sherlocks reaction? Surprise? Little panic? Countdown? What's to do now f

The Empty Hearse » How he did it - Theory/ theories after seing The Empty Hearse » January 6, 2014 8:52 pm

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s.he http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=116957#p116957 wrote:

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Moriarty is dead and not coming back.

Refering to the canon: Moriarty died early in the canon and never arised.
Another refering to to canon: Sherlock characterized Moriarty as an equal opponent (I don't know the original english word or quote.) The canon charakter would be damaged, if Moriarty all the time was fooled by Sherlock and Big Brother.
Another refering to the canon: The note for Watson the ancient Holmes has left at the Reichenbachfälle was real. He assumed going to die, together with Moriarty.

It was a powerplay between them. Suppose it was an equal powerplay, Moriarty had the upper hand sometimes. And sometimes Sherlock had control. But who when and when it changes?

Thread theme: some of you want to buy the "Anderson Story" (or so called Lazarus explanation), and some of us are disappointed and left with questions and open things and prepared to wait another week for some final answers. It's a little a matter of faith in Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss and their interpretation of Sherlock Holmes. Refering above should be some motivation for a little hope for the disappointed ones.

@ ruthinks:

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1: (After Moriarty shoots himself),"I knew I didn't have long...".
Why did he not have long? Moriarty didn't seem to give any time limit to those shooters or Sherlock. All the shooters could think that Moriarty and Sherlock still might be into conversation.

No there was a timetable. There was one of Moriartys man who watched the rooftop to see Sherlock jump (and further give a signal). This one watched Moriartys death, maybe Moriarty had calculated this possibility, and then a kind of countdown started. And Sherlock had known that he hadn't endless time.

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2: Then why doesn't any police come. Does Sherlock's homeless network obstruct them from coming? But they never really could've done that, could they? (Sherlock says there w

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 6, 2014 8:43 pm

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Lots of points mixed up in this thread/ post.
(edit: And Sorry for the long post.)

Mrs.Wenceslas wrote:

exactly, Susi! I think Magnussen will be a satisfying replacement of a chief villain!

Agree

besleybean wrote:

Moriarty is dead and not coming back.

Refering to the canon: Moriarty died early in the canon and never arised.
Another refering to to canon: Sherlock characterized Moriarty as an equal opponent (I don't know the original english word or quote.) The canon charakter would be damaged, if Moriarty all the time was fooled by Sherlock and Big Brother.
Another refering to the canon: The note for Watson the ancient Holmes has left at the Reichenbachfälle was real. He assumed going to die, together with Moriarty.

It was a powerplay between them. Suppose it was an equal powerplay, Moriarty had the upper hand sometimes. And sometimes Sherlock had control. But who when and when it changes?

Thread theme: some of you want to buy the "Anderson Story" (or so called Lazarus explanation), and some of us are disappointed and left with questions and open things and prepared to wait another week for some final answers. It's a little a matter of faith in Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss and their interpretation of Sherlock Holmes. Refering above should be some motivation for a little hope for the disappointed ones.

@ ruthinks:

ruthinks wrote:

1: (After Moriarty shoots himself),"I knew I didn't have long...".
Why did he not have long? Moriarty didn't seem to give any time limit to those shooters or Sherlock. All the shooters could think that Moriarty and Sherlock still might be into conversation.

No there was a timetable. There was one of Moriartys man who watched the rooftop to see Sherlock jump (and further give a signal). This one watched Moriartys death, maybe Moriarty had calculated this possibility, and then a kind of countdown started. And Sherlock had known that he hadn't endless time.

ruthinks wrote:

2: Then why doesn't any police come. Does

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 6, 2014 6:42 pm

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SusiGo wrote:

So you think they will come up with an explanation in HLV? When there is so much else going on? Not sure about that. 

Maybe or not. But I think, they would not take an explanation to the 4th serie. After the Last Vow the riddle is over. If I like it or not.

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 6, 2014 6:19 pm

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Stayin Alive wrote:

Ummm, did anyone remember The Blind Banker episode? Sherlock's banker friend had traveled twice during the month. He always teased Sherlock about his deductive skills back in the days. Sherlock deduced from his watch that he had travelled twice around the world during that month. BUT what was Sherlock's "explaination"??? To avoid a confrontation with a "lesser" mind, Sherlock said he got the info from chatting with the man's secretary. Seems rather logical to the lesser mind and raises no big questions. John knew otherwise and asked Sherlock about it, "You did not chat with his secretary. You did that just to IRRITATE him!"

De'ja vu??? 

Yes, exact my thoughts.

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 6, 2014 5:44 pm

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Mary Me wrote:

Has anybody ever thought that the blending in of the last theory would be pretty pointless if it wasn't the actual solution?

No pointless. It simply was the way they filmed it.

@ ruthinks: I'm with you. Do you know this thread? http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=4093&p=1

Will think about some of your points.

The Empty Hearse » How he did it - Theory/ theories after seing The Empty Hearse » January 6, 2014 12:15 pm

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Thx for the article, too. What kind of paper is this Sunday Times? Is it a respectable one, how much effort they spend for researches? Who is "the BBC"? Can we trust it? Is Sunday Times the only one that says, the riddle is over?

Guess, it turns into a matter of faith... But I don't believe the pillow explanations until the 3rd episode is aired. And if that stays, I would be disappointed for lifetime. Sorry, but till then I will continue with thinking about it.

It's clearly a risk to jump off the roof. That's why I think it wasn't the original plan of Sherlocks. Experts say, there is 20% chance to jump in such a pillow without being seriously injured. Guess, the chance falling into a small van is even lower. I always assumed, the most important helper of Sherlocks in this coup was fortune. I'm lost for words about that risk Sherlock's taken. But he didn't have any choice, did he?

And if it's such a danger to jump off a roof, then Sherlock won't need false blood and puls-stopping-things anymore. Because he would be damaged by the landing without doing things. And all the passerbys and hospital personal would not assume that he is still alive for longer.

The Empty Hearse » How he did it - Theory/ theories after seing The Empty Hearse » January 5, 2014 6:13 pm

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Sanaz wrote:

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Sanaz wrote:

Something not entirely related, Do you remember in TRF at the rooftop scene Sherlock asked for a moment of privacy? Why did he do that? Is there an explanation for it?  

For me a very great and important scene. But the question for me is not, why he asked for the privacy moment. My question is what he had seen below on the street that makes him so laughing and that Moriarty had missed.

Yes. It seemed to me he wanted to check something below, but i'm not sure. so was any theory put forward to explain this? 
 

For me it seems, that he noticed something below he hadn't expected. He looks a little surprised.

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