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Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Baby Watson (spoilers!) » September 2, 2014 3:39 pm

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maryagrawatson wrote:

But why does it have to be something negative? Why can't it be that, hey, Mary likes him with a little stubble so that's just a little way of saying he's come back to her?

At this point, anything's possible...

This show has SUCH an attention to detail and is very consistent with how certain symbols (yeah I think we all agree John's mustache is a symbol worthy of merit šŸ˜) are displayed and how those symbols are consistent and don't change in meaning throughout each episode. So if John's mustache was first shown to us as a symbol of his "inner turmoil" so to speak, I think that it's fair to say that any sort of facial hair is a decision that was made by the writers to include. It was intentional, I'm sure of it.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Baby Watson (spoilers!) » September 2, 2014 3:07 pm

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Whisky wrote:

Zatoichi wrote:

Ā  Someone on tumblr also pointed out that John has a stubble on Christmas, and while he clearly found it necessary to shave before going to 221b to meet Sherlock in TEH (whom he had not forgiven yet at that point) he didnĀ“t feel the need before getting back together with his wife after months of silenceĀ . Ā I donĀ“t take that point too seriously, but still I find it an interesting observation and it speaks for the state of mind heĀ“s in - not exactly "fresh start" and "clean slate".

To me that just says: still pissed off, don't think I'll shave for you yet. Be nice, let time pass, and then maybe you're allowed to kiss me again without stubble all in your face...
Could be a little bit of revenge or reminder.
But I agree, it's fun he *does* shave for Sherlock - and not for Mary. Very obvious who he cares more for...
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Right?? Like you think he would be like looking his best in Christmas Day, knowing that he's going to take his wife back the next day. But nope, he looks pretty rough in the clean shaven department! Nice observation!

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Baby Watson (spoilers!) » September 1, 2014 8:29 pm

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So I know that John says he's forgiven her, but to me the forgiveness scene just didn't sit well with me. Theres two different theories swirling around in my head.

1. John really has, in his mind, forgiven her.

or

2. His forgiveness is utter BS, and part of a larger plan we don't know about. Let me explain:
John has serious trust issues. We learned this from the very first episode. The fall and Sherlock's return certainly didn't help matters much. And as of his wedding John is still seeing his therapist (could be for many reasons but we are told over and over again that he has big trust issues). And here John is not knowing who his wife is, essentially. He doesn't know her real name, where she's from, nothing about her family or past. All he really knows is that she used to be a trained assassin. It is DEFINATELY a larger scale lie than Sherlock's fake suicide, and I don't think Sherlock's lie and Mary's lie are seen as equals in John's eyes on terms of being able to forgive (as someone mentioned above). John did struggle to forgive Sherlock in TEH. It was a huge betrayal of trust, despite how much he'd missed Sherlock, and John has a hard time getting past that. Didn't he say, "I don't care how you did it, I want to know why." John eventually does get the whole truth of why, as shown in his blog (link here: http://www.johnwatsonblog.co.uk/blog/07november). John does say "of course I forgive you" at the end if TEH, in what he believes are his dying moments, but this is clearly a huge, huge deal for John and again a massive setback in terms of his trust issues. But I think he truly did forgive Sherlock, and knowing WHY he did it really helped him with that. It was justified in John's eyes. But after spending months apart from Mary to come to terms with her enormous betrayal... we're supposed to believe that John just tosses out the hard drive supposedly containing her history, essentially tells her they've get a clean slate, he doesn't care what she's done -- whi

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Baby Watson (spoilers!) » August 31, 2014 8:34 pm

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Sherlock Holmes wrote:

A lovely light wrote:

Schmiezi wrote:

Again, I'd like to come up with the question of WHY it exists.

And I don't mean "Because of sex". I mean, why did the writers decide to include it first place? Surely not to lead to being no problem, because they could have "no problem" without it. Ideas?

This.

The writters must have a plan, because they knew that a baby would change dramatically the balance in 221b. My question is also Why and how they will deal with this....Ā 

They could have made Mary to misscariage and so to becaome loads of sympathy and support. But they go with the baby, so this is for me the only thing i cannot speculate how it would possibly go.

Yeah, this is the question I'm interested in too. I was talking about this at a Sherlockian meet up the other day, and we were all wondering why they chose to do it....because obviously it would have been a lot easier to kill her off if she hadn't had a baby. We were hoping they do actually have some kind of plan and haven't just written themselves into a corner because they wanted the "sign of three" gag.
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I honestly think that this baby was only introduced as a plot device for John to not leave Mary once she had shot Sherlock. If you think about it, do you really think that John would have stayed with Mary if she wasn't pregnant? The pregnancy makes John feel obligated to be responsible for his child and gives him a "reason" to forgive her. If it weren't for the baby, John would have never gone back to her, in my opinion. Shooting Sherlock is pretty unforgivable, I would think. But throw a baby in the mix and suddenly it's a whole other story. Now, what I don't know is why the writers needed him to forgive her and go back to her in the first place, but I suppose that will play out in season 4.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Baby Watson (spoilers!) » July 28, 2014 8:48 pm

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I personally think that the best solution to the baby problem would be if Mary had an affair. Honestly, that David guy was  introduced in TSOT, and was given a good 2-3 minutes screen time. Sherlock was basically trying to 'scare him off' of interacting with Mary in any way. After all, they used to be lovers. To me, this makes me think that Sherlock felt some sort of obligation to warn him off because he believed, to some extent, that Mary COULD cheat on John. He wouldn't waste his time threatening him otherwise. I know some of you may think that this scene was just a bit of comic relief, but whenever something in this show strikes me as "funny" I sometimes think the writers are just trying to distract us from a deeper meaning (they're master's of subtext after all). Plus, as I've already mentioned, David had a good 2-3 minutes allotted to him. This is a 90-minute show where virtually every minute counts. It may not seem like a lot but if they were aiming for just a bit of comic relief they would've figured out another way to do it that wouldn't take up so much time. This makes me think that David might be a little more important than we're led to believe. He was introduced and then his character "arc" kind of just fizzled out at the end with little payoff. I think we're going to be seeing him again, possibly as the father to Mary's baby.

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