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General Sherlock Discussion » BBC policy and Johnlock » July 6, 2014 2:57 pm

Thinbeard
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I think people self-identify by the type of sex they like to have and then push it as a personal agenda a lot more than I would like. It's even found it's way into my favorite TV show and it's discussion forums.

General Sherlock Discussion » a question to those who dislike mary » July 6, 2014 2:35 pm

Thinbeard
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I don't like Mary because I don't like Mary. She was more than willing to kill Sherlock to stop John from knowing who she really is. The baby name thing. All of it. I've tried writing a couple of times and I see her as a plot problem. SusiGo said she didn't believe the "surgery" bit. Maybe what she meant was she's not "buying it" and neither am I. In fact, I'm not buying very much of her and John's relationship at all. This will be solved by Mary's death.

His Last Vow » The other brother - my head just exploded » July 5, 2014 11:34 pm

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As has been said elsewhere, the third sibling could be a sister. Nothing in Conan-Doyles work excludes it. Listen carefully to Mrs. Holmes speaking to Mary about Mr. Holmes. Very carefully.

General Sherlock Discussion » I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore » July 5, 2014 11:17 pm

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It's probably nothing, but we don't see a live action Moriarty until after the show is over. 

General Sherlock Discussion » What was the point of Sherlock faking his death?? » July 5, 2014 11:10 pm

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I think the point may have been that it made great television and left us madly theorizing for two years.

General Sherlock Discussion » My theory as to how Moriarty faked his death? » July 5, 2014 11:02 pm

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I think Brettholmes may be on to something here. These are, after all, stories and in every episode you have to overlook logical flaws in order to enjoy the story. 
Having said that, some folks think that Moriarty is going to stay dead and that it is through Jenean or possibly Mary that he will continue to be prominent in the new season.
Add st to the middle of Sebastian Moran's last name and you get Marys fake last name. 

Character Analysis » Poor Janine » May 3, 2014 5:54 pm

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I still don't see an explanation for the referance to flicking Janine's eye and I also don't see how Mary got into the offices. My suggestion is that Janine might have let her in. I'm currently predicting that Billy Wiggins is going to produce a deduction that will reveal the truth about either Janine, Mary or both. We'll learn a lot when/if the actors who portray Billy and Janine reprise their roles. Thanks for responding!
 

Character Analysis » Poor Janine » May 3, 2014 2:38 am

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I'm wondering if there isn't another reason for the Janine character. A Moriarty family connection? How might she and Mary have come to know each other? Why are we informed about the cottage and the bees? Why are we informed that CAM flicked her eye? What did he have on her? And, by the way, how did Mary get into CAM's office? Sherlock says she left the way she came but that isn't explained? Wouldn't Janine have seen the person who bashed her in the head? Any thoughts?

Character Analysis » Mary, a Holmes? » March 30, 2014 5:04 pm

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To date I have neglected to acknowledge SusiGo correctly pointing out the location of Sherlocks and Redbeards meeting. Assuming SusiGo is a woman, she has my thanks and my previous assertion is cheerfully withdrawn.

Character Analysis » Mary, a Holmes? » March 29, 2014 6:40 pm

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Assuming the writers keep to Conan-Doyle's story, Mary will die and John will move back into 221B. In the books it is never revealed how she died so the writers of "Sherlock" have a wide open field in which to spin their tale.
Information such as the elder Holmes's time in america and Mary's american connections are not added  just to fill out a script with words. They are calculated and discussed exhaustively.
I'll be very dissapointed if there are any anagrams involved

The Great Game » The pager and the phones. » February 22, 2014 8:26 am

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Does anyone know if Moriarty is supposed to be able to hear Sherlock? He seems to be able to hear the hostages but Sherlock can hear them as well. Could Moriarty have set up the pink phone for conferance calls? 

Character Analysis » Mary, a Holmes? » February 10, 2014 2:50 pm

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Sir Arthur decided Mary's fate long ago. It is my understanding that nothing in any of his writings excludes the possibilities of further siblings, either male or female. I very much liked the suggestion, made elsewhere, that Janine is a Moriarity sister. Of course, there could have been more than one of those as well.

Character Analysis » Mary, a Holmes? » February 10, 2014 12:05 am

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At the 16 minute mark Mycroft states that he "...will have to phone our parents, of course, in Oklahoma. It won't be the first time that your substance abuse had wreaked havoc with their line dancing." Does anyone seriously suggest that the writers mean for us to conclude that the elder Holmses so regularly visit Oklahoma for the purpose of line dancing that Sherlocks drug problem has interrupted their trip before? In addition, why were the parents not at the funeral other than because they were in Oklahoma? Also, if my parents are acting in a Boston based production of "Romeo and Juliet", I don't phone them in "Romeo and Juliet". I phone them in Boston.
When I say that Mary and the Holmes parents arrive simultaneously I don't mean in the chronology of the story. I just mean to say that they arrived in the same episode. This is fiction. I'm not trying to figure out what really happened, because it didn't. I'm trying to figure out what the writers are trying to sell me. I believe that there is a reason why the parents have been introduced other than providing work  for Cumberbatch's mom and dad.
Oh, and one more thing. Once again, this is television so take this with a grain a salt but the cottage where Christmas is spent is clearly not the same building where Sherlock has his flashback with Redbeard.

Character Analysis » Mary, a Holmes? » February 9, 2014 9:13 pm

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Mycroft clearly identifies their parents as residing in Oklahoma. This happens around the 16 minute mark of the most recent episode. Mary is identified as having done work for the C.I.A. at around the 77 minute mark. The home where Christmas is spent may or may not be a Holmes family property but this is irrelevant. 

Character Analysis » Mary, a Holmes? » February 9, 2014 1:22 am

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Mary could be an older sibling, an illegitimate half-sister or possibly Uncle Rudy's only child and therefore a cousin. Under any circumstances, her initials are provided for a later revelation and are probably encoded. 
Everything in this show is either a red herring or a useful clue. The hard part is telling the difference.

Character Analysis » Mary, a Holmes? » February 8, 2014 11:20 pm

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The various clues could all be "red herrings" but I'll point out a few all the same.

1.The Holmes parents show up simultaneously with Mary. They apparently live in America while Mary seems to have American connections.
2.It is made abundantly clear that she's bright enough in that "Holmseian" way.
3.Mention is made of "...what happened to the other one." without specifying gender.
4.In The Adventure of the Copper Beeches Holmes, at least twice, makes reference to a possible sister.
5.I believe Mary and Mrs. Holmes both refer to Mycroft as "Mike". Janine certainly does and she's Mary's friend.
6.Mary says that the elder Mr. Holmes is the sane Holmes but he suggests it's her.
7.If you listen carefully, Mrs. Holmes refers to her husband as "...your father." when speaking to Mary
Any takers?

 

Character Analysis » Janine Moriarty » February 8, 2014 8:17 pm

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I think this is probably correct. A tip of the cap is due as it never occured to me. Well done.

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