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October 20, 2017 11:18 am  #801

Re: Recently watched movies.

After only one viewing, and there won't be a second one:

The first thing that struck me was that American values seem to have changed quite a bit: Not so long ago, the guy who rode into a place to kill the people living there  - people who just went about their work and never did anybody any harm - that would have been the bad guy!

Then the whole scenario is completely illogical: An overpopulated, underfed world doesn't need  human-identical beings, even if they are a stronger and more resistant - they still need air, food and water - all in short supply on earth and even more so in space and on other planets. But okay, the replicants were invented (1982)  before human-looking cyborgs (1984), so I'll accept them. I can't accept that breeding them - i. e. 9 months of gestation, 20 years of growing up - would be quicker than having them fall out of a plastic bag fully formed. There the film either showed too much, or much too little: It's quite possible that the production needs some incredibly rare element, or huge amounts of energy, or whatever - but I want to know what! As the film stands, the bad guy doesn't make sense.

So, I don't believe in either the hero or the bad guy - but the film should still be saveable, it has Harrison Ford in it. Unfortunately, no, not really... He appears much too late, and has too little to do.

As for the rest of the protagonists: I rather liked the police commander (even if I don't understand why she believed K had killed the Child without bringing the eye as proof), but maybe she should have pushed an alarm button or grabbed a weapon instead of chucking back a last drink when Luv appeared in her office (and how come a civilian just walks into the morgue and a police office to kill people? And walks out again?) And could somebody clarify: Wasn't it Luv who set the prostitutes on K/Joe - so why did the one who hooked up with him and slipped the tracker into his pocket not report back to her, but instead brought other people to Vegas? If she was a double agent, she'd have deserved more screen time! But for me the absolutely worst sin against common sense was Luv in Las Vegas taking only Deckard with her but leaving K behind. Even if she didn't believe that he was the Child (which I did at the time) - it should be obvious that two people to interrogate are always better than one. 

Oh, another thing in the basic situation that doesn't make sense: The Blackout destroying most computer records. How? Well-stored data doesn't disappear without power - that's why we have hard drives (and are told to save our work often...) 

And of course the film was much too long and slow. I don't mind long cuts if there's something interesting to see - but water reflections in a room don't cut it for me. Neither does Ryan Gosling - there's not enough showing in his face for the camera to stay on him for several minutes (might have been shorter, but it sure seemed an eternity).

In short: The film is in no way entertaining, and the messages it might want to transmit (slavery is bad, blind obedience is bad, mankind needs to mind its ways before disaster strikes) are neither new nor well-presented.

Tonight I'll have a look at the original Blade Runner (Final Cut, 2007) to see whether I had imagined its greatness.



October 20, 2017 12:29 pm  #802

Re: Recently watched movies.

You just reminded me that one thing that bothered me while watching it was K believing he was the Child after going to see (I've forgotten her name) the real Child.  All she tells him is that the memory is real - something he already knew because he found the horse.  There is no new information to convince him that the memory is his rather than implanted ... unless it's simply that he doesn't believe something illegal could happen.   Then there was the fact that the real Child was the one who made memories for implantation - it made sense that the memory would be hers, particularly as she became emotional when she saw it.  Why didn't K work that out?   Although I suppose in the context of film, it was that he wanted to believe that it was him, that he was special, and that skewed how he reacted to the information.



October 20, 2017 1:41 pm  #803

Re: Recently watched movies.


In my opinion this works perfectly in the context of the movie. When she mentioned that the memory was real, it at first didn't really register with me that this doesn't mean it's HIS memory. I only realized this a while later (and when I leaned over to my spouse saying "She only said it was real, not that it was his memory", it turned out that it hadn't registered with him, either). I suppose that for K it works the same way it worked for us: He heard what he wanted to hear and so he didn't really listen to what she actually told him and what this might actually mean.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with this scene. It's actually intended that K only thinks he got some new information when he actually hasn't. I think he is so intrigued by what is going on and what this might mean for his life (or what he thought was his life), that he only sees but doesn't fully observe. He wants this to be his memory and that's the reason why he doesn't work it out.


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October 20, 2017 4:56 pm  #804

Re: Recently watched movies.

Oh, I didn't mean there was anything wrong with the scene. 

As I said, it's explained later why he would assume what he did: because of his need for that to be the truth.   But I think that at the point when you first see it, it does seem odd that he would assume that.  (And actually, what bothered me was that I thought we were expected to assume that too - that we were just expected to accept he'd been proven to be the Child when nothing of the sort had happened!  So I was pleased when what seemed like a flaw ended up being explained later).   In fact, I wasn't really clear about what his purpose was there, and what he thought he'd heard.  He knew the memory was real, because of the horse.  There wasn't any more reason to think it was his, rather than implanted, after talking to the Child.  Just wishful thinking.  And of course also because there had to be that scene, playing out the way it did, for the story to end the way it did!

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October 21, 2017 2:09 am  #805

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I just saw Blade Runner 2049 this morning so it's both fresh and jumbled in my mind, and I'm glad to find this discussion. Just want to address a couple of things Kittyhawk said.

The Blackout was an EMP detonation, not a power cut. Read more about this here:

The prostitute was working for the one-eyed lady, not for Luv.

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October 22, 2017 11:54 am  #806

Re: Recently watched movies.

Thanks for clarifying that, Meretricious.

Was it ever mentioned in the movie that the blackout was due to an EMP? The movie was certainly long enough to give all the explanations anybody could wish for... Though I probably would have forgiven the blackout if I hadn't been bored to the point of considering walking out altogether or at least getting a bag of M & Ms to sweeten things. 

So I've watched the original Blade Runner, and I still like it. It's a well-made, visually interesting and entertaining movie, with a fascinating production history  (I just love bonus materials!) - and all that in under two hours! By now I'm firmly convinced that two important requirements for a good film are runtime and budget limits...


December 2, 2017 3:17 am  #807

Re: Recently watched movies.

I know people often write about recently-released movies that they've seen, but I just watched an older film that I enjoyed. It's Frederico Fellini's film Nights of Cabiria. I had to watch the last couple of scenes over again after I watched it, and they are still puzzling me, but that's not a bad thing. I really liked the film. I find Giulietta Masina wonderful and interesting to watch. Her expressions and her gestures can shift a lot, and can seem a little unusual. I like the way she acts, and her character made me smile in this film, even though some parts were sad. I don't know if this movie is less famous than Fellini's other films (I feel as though La dolce vita is one of his most famous), but I think it's worth watching. I still have enjoyed all of his other films that I have watched more than I did 8 1/2.

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December 30, 2017 9:37 pm  #808

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Has anyone here seen Darkest Hour with Gary Oldman as Winston Churchill? I saw it yesterday with my parents. I didn't know much about it, but I ended up liking it more than I thought I would. The makeup to make Gary Oldman look like Churchill was good (I won't be surprised if it gets a Best Makeup nomination at the Oscars this year) and I liked the different aspects of his life that we saw. I also really liked the cinematography.
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January 31, 2018 4:51 am  #809

Re: Recently watched movies.

Has anyone seen the film Phantom Thread?  I saw it last week and I really liked it though the relationship between the two main characters was quite bizarre.  So, it was a rather odd but intriguing film.  I found myself conflicted over some of the character's actions, but couldn't stop thinking about the film afterwards.
Would like to hear other's impressions of the movie if you've seen it.

Yitzok, I also saw Darkest Hour and thought Gary Oldman was excellent.  I also enjoyed it far more than I expected!
Would recommend both movies.

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September 10, 2018 10:22 pm  #810

Re: Recently watched movies.

I believe I meant to respond to your post and say that I have not seen Phantom Thread, but I have listened to some of the soundtrack and the music is rather good!

This weekend I saw what I think must be the worst film (or one of the worst films) I have seen this year: Chappaquiddick.  I'm honestly surprised to see that it's Certified Fresh (81%) on Rotten Tomatoes. I thought it had pretty bad pacing, since the beginning was so drawn out for no apparent reason (I get that we're supposed to see how long Ted Kennedy waited before reporting the accident, but even so I thought it wasn't done well). Even after it gets reported, there's a little bit of what goes on behind the scenes of how the public is informed about what happened, but a lot is glossed over, including the entire hearing that takes place in the courtroom. So there was hardly any tension or intrigue to speak of and overall was quite disappointing.
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September 11, 2018 5:06 pm  #811

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I haven't seen Chappaquiddick, but I have seen Phantom Thread!  I had much the same feelings about it as you, NoShipSherlock.  Is it really Daniel Day Lewis's last film?  I thought the three main actors were fantastic, all so watchable and compelling, but particularly Lesley Manville who I just kept wanting more of!  It's nice to see such an original film, and such a different sort of relationship. And it was unexpectedly funny at times!  I watched and read a bit more about it as I too found I kept thinking about it afterwards, and found that some  parts were improvised - kudos to the actors for doing that so brilliantly.  And that DDL prepared for the part by amongst other things, studying fashion designers and practicing dressmaking, and that some of the "actors" were actually seamstresses!  It was uncomfortable to watch at times.  I was torn between rooting for the characters and being horrified by them! 

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December 12, 2018 3:19 pm  #812

Re: Recently watched movies.

Recently I watched Doctor Strange and I like this new role from Benedict

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December 12, 2018 4:36 pm  #813

Re: Recently watched movies.

Not so new for some of us!
We've also seen him in Infinity Wars.
We are now looking forward to Dr Strange 2.


December 16, 2018 12:17 am  #814

Re: Recently watched movies.

This might be too niche for a lot of you here, but my most-recently watched movies was this Thursday when I watched Ghost in the Shell (the original one from 1995, not the 2017 remake), which I have wanted to see for years but only found the Blu-ray at the library last week by chance. It wasn't always the easiest film to understand, but I found myself fascinated by its world and the main characters. And now I can't get this film out of my mind. And even though it's from 1995 and could have looked dated, the animation, I found, was so impressive.
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December 16, 2018 8:29 am  #815

Re: Recently watched movies.

That film has been on my to-see list for many years!  I'm glad to hear it's worth it.  Have you seen Akira?  I had similar thoughts about that.  Was yours a dubbed version or subtitled?  (Or do you speak Japanese?)   Would you recommend one over the other?  I'm never sure which is best when it's a language I don't know.  I usually prefer the original language, rather than dubbing, but it can be distracting reading the subtitles.  The trouble I've found recently is that sometimes I've watched in the original language, but the only version available here is dubbed, and it just feels wrong for the characters to have completely different voices!

One film I saw in the cinema recently was 2001:A Space Odyssey.  I saw that first in the cinema many, many years ago and I was pleasantly surprised to find that it's still astounding!  One film that I probably really needs the big screen. 


December 16, 2018 2:37 pm  #816

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I have not yet seen Akira, but it's another one I would like to see (preferably before the Tokyo olympics, since apparently the Tokyo Olympics feature in that movie even though nobody would have known at the time that it would have been in 2020). I have listened to some of the soundtrack, though, and it's quite good!

I watched the dubbed version of Ghost (though the disc had both English dub and Japaneese audio with English subtitles on it), though I might watch some scenes with subtitles before I return it just out of curiosity to see if the translations are different. I tend to choose the dubbed option for animated films and shows if I have the choice. I like to just watch the animation instead of missing some of it because I'm looking down at the subtitles.

And yes, I agree 100% that 2001 is best on a big cinema screen!
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