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June 9, 2018 11:27 pm  #161


Re: Patrick Melrose

A couple days ago I got caught up to "Mother's Milk." It's kind of sad that, despite some effort not to ruin his son's life, Patrick seems to be making things tough for him. His son even did the same thing on top of the well as Patrick did as a boy. I'm curious how old the son will be in the last episode coming out tonight. 
While I have liked this series, I am finding it at times seems a little directionless. The point for each episode comes through eventually, but I find it's a little repetitive with the flashbacks at times or just doesn't seem to be moving anywhere. I guess real life is like that, with the direction of things not always so clear-cut or obvious, but at the same time as a show the things that happen don't always seem to amount to anything. Like Patrick's mother asking him to kill her. It was briefly discussed and then never came to anything. 
I guess it seems to me sometimes like there are very few significant plot points per episode. I've still enjoyed the acting and I am still interested in how the story will end, I don't think it's a show that is going to stay with me or that I will remember as being great.

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June 10, 2018 7:01 am  #162


Re: Patrick Melrose

Well I enjoyed the first 10 mins of the last episode, that's when my streaming service cut out and I can't get any others to work...will I have to wait for the DVD after all?


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June 10, 2018 1:41 pm  #163


Re: Patrick Melrose

That's too bad! Maybe you'll have to try again later? Or else I guess you will have to wait for a DVD.


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June 10, 2018 5:08 pm  #164


Re: Patrick Melrose

Besley, please look into your inbox.


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June 10, 2018 7:10 pm  #165


Re: Patrick Melrose

Thank you so much, you absolute darling.


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June 11, 2018 10:10 am  #166


Re: Patrick Melrose

HBO and Cinemax both announced that they will broadcast Patrick Melrose from 7-th of July onwards!
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And they have those smashing TV adds to announce the series (i missed them so far). Almost magnetic in their intensity. Plus wonderful Benedict´s voice to accompany them - I always forget how enchanting that deep voice is and I am shocked anew by it every time I encounter it so unexpectedly.


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June 12, 2018 12:45 pm  #167


Re: Patrick Melrose

Someone has been very busy - here are the scripts for everyone who is interested:

https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/episode_scripts.php?tv-show=patrick-melrose-2018&season=1


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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June 14, 2018 6:36 am  #168


Re: Patrick Melrose

SusiGo wrote:

Someone has been very busy - here are the scripts for everyone who is interested:

https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/episode_scripts.php?tv-show=patrick-melrose-2018&season=1

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June 18, 2018 7:02 pm  #169


Re: Patrick Melrose

There, just finished the last two episodes tonight. What a great series. Both funny and tragic at the same time. The tragedy of not being able to bring part of the horrow from your childhood with you to your own children, truly heartbreaking.

I also like that there is no perfect ending. How could there be? 

And whan an acting tour-de-force from Benedict, amazing work. How do you cope with your parents never realizing what they did? Never having a "good ending"? 


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June 19, 2018 5:52 am  #170


Re: Patrick Melrose

Episode screening plus Q&A with David Nicholls in Melbourne on Friday, 20th July.
https://www.acmi.net.au/events/david-nicholls-conversation/


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June 19, 2018 11:51 am  #171


Re: Patrick Melrose


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June 19, 2018 3:25 pm  #172


Re: Patrick Melrose

Thank you for sharing that article, Susi. It's nice to know that it's an accurate portrayal of addiction, since I think a lot of people still don't accurately understand how it works.

I watched the last episode, "At Last" on Sunday. I thought it was interesting that the topic of the mother's wish to die, that I thought was being swept under the rug at the end of the last episode, was in fact being saved for this episode. I think this is one of the episodes I liked the most.
As Vhanja alluded to, it's not a completely happy ending. Patrick still has problems, but he seems to have been able to get past some of the pain of his childhood by the end, even if it will probably always be haunting him, as the flashbacks throughout the series show. I think this series showed how really bad trauma stays with people, which is something else that I think a lot of people have trouble understanding if they haven't gone through it themselves. You can't just "get over it" quickly or instantaneously forget about it.

EDIT: I just remembered something else interesting. At the end of the episode, after Patrick walks out the door in the final shot, my mum thought that Patrick was going to go and spend the evening with his wife and kids. But after the phone call, I had assumed that when he was joining "the living" instead of "ghosts" that he was going to go see the server. I prefer my mum's interpretation, and I think it makes sense, but because of things that had happened previously in the series, I had asssumed he was going to have another sexual encounter. 
I was wondering what all of you thought about where Patrick was going.

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June 19, 2018 4:21 pm  #173


Re: Patrick Melrose

Definitely his wife...that's who he spoke to on the phone.


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June 20, 2018 6:41 am  #174


Re: Patrick Melrose

Yeah, I also thought it was his wife. He did ask if it was too late to change his mind, which is wasn't. And then he left. That is made even more clear when at first he left the funeral reception to have a sexual/addict encounter, but then changed his mind and went back home. So, for now at least, he has chosen his family and sobriety over another drug-filled adventure. But who knows for how long?

Thanks for the article, Susi, very interesting. To be honest, I found the doctor's words difficult to read, but it was great to see that the show portrays addiction and childhood trauma in such an accurate way. 


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June 20, 2018 7:15 am  #175


Re: Patrick Melrose

The scene was tricky because they show him reading Helene's number and saying her name. But then, on the phone, he quotes Robert that minds are there to be changed, so I knew he was talking to Mary. In real life they St Aubyn and his wife got divorced. But he seems to have found a way of living with his past which is quite a lot for someone who suffered and struggled so much. 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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June 21, 2018 8:54 pm  #176


Re: Patrick Melrose

Yeah, I did get that understanding from the last episode as well, that they got divorced. "This is not your responsibility anymore".


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June 25, 2018 11:14 pm  #177


Re: Patrick Melrose

SusiGo wrote:

The scene was tricky because they show him reading Helene's number and saying her name. But then, on the phone, he quotes Robert that minds are there to be changed, so I knew he was talking to Mary. In real life they St Aubyn and his wife got divorced. But he seems to have found a way of living with his past which is quite a lot for someone who suffered and struggled so much. 

I guess I didn't recognize her voice, so when he looked at her number and said her name I assumed Helene was who he was calling. But it does make sense that he's going to her family.

But I think you all are right that it's a little ambiguous. Is it only temporary, or is he really going to make a big change in his life? It could go either way.

Susi, you mention the life of the author. Is Patrick Melrose's story largely based on the author's own life? If that's the case, I must have forgotten (or missed) from interviews leading up to the airing of the series that this was the case. Or else it wasn't mentioned and I just didn't know. 
It would make sense, since someone who has lived an addicts life would know how it really is to go through that.

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June 26, 2018 6:07 am  #178


Re: Patrick Melrose

I thought the series was totally based on the books, which is totllay the writer's life!


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June 26, 2018 7:27 am  #179


Re: Patrick Melrose

besleybean wrote:

I thought the series was totally based on the books, which is totllay the writer's life!

You are absolutely right. It is based on his life and even uses St Aubyn's own year of birth, that of his father, the whole biography of the parents is very similar. I would assume that he did not much more than changing names where real-life characters are concerned. Probably someone has taken the trouble of finding out who is who. IMO these novels are a thinly veiled biography, albeit in a beautifully written literary language. And as far as I know Edward St Aubyn has never denied that. 
 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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June 26, 2018 9:07 am  #180


Re: Patrick Melrose

Here is a 2012 interview with St Aubyn in which he discusses his novels:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/writersandcompany/edward-st-aubyn-encore-1.2790957

I had not time to listen yet but I suppose the autobiographical aspect will be discussed as well.


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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