BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / Series 4 Setlock (potential spoilers)

**Posted by Vhanja** April 8, 2016 11:26 pm

It was just the best geek/fan moment. Hubby and I was staying at a hotel near the British Museum (and, as I later learn, near Reagent's Park and John's old flat). I want to visit 221, so we take the tube. Just so happens it's the Jubilee line over to Baker Street. We get off at the Baker Street station and walk over to the Sherlock Holmes museum.

So when I later see in the series that John talk about "handy for the Jubilee line..", and I actually KNOW what he is talking about. Geek moment extraordinare.

**Posted by nakahara** April 8, 2016 11:30 pm

Nice adventure.

And now I wonder if Louise lives somewhere in the vicinity too, if she´s "nearly at home" by this station.

**Posted by Vhanja** April 8, 2016 11:32 pm

Ahem, sorry, I guess that was just as off-topic...

Perhaps she stays at a hotel nearby for the period of filming?

**Posted by besleybean** April 9, 2016 7:44 am

I was at that very station on Monday.
It's one of the older tube lines I think and I'm just trying to remember how far it stretches out...some of them go right out into the environs of London.

**Posted by nakahara** April 9, 2016 7:49 am

Once again, the summary of yesterday´s Setlock:

http://thesetison.tumblr.com/post/142487323926/setlock-4816-we-got-confirmation-that

**Posted by Lilythiell** April 9, 2016 9:55 am

Vhanja wrote:
I have faith in Moftiss and their plans for the show.

Seconded.

**Posted by besleybean** April 9, 2016 10:05 am

Thirded!
But the point is it is their show and we either accept it or write our own darn show!

**Posted by SolarSystem** April 9, 2016 10:19 am

I really love that argument because it basically means there is nothing to discuss. We love the show and shut up about everything we don't like.

**Posted by Vhanja** April 9, 2016 10:25 am

There are tons of things to discuss. And tons of different ways to discuss them. Some are more fruitful than others.

**Posted by besleybean** April 9, 2016 10:38 am

I mentioned on the original TAB thread I think: for me, there has to come the point of critical mass.
As long as you still like the show more than dislike it, it's worth watching.
I've been thinking about this more...say for arguments sake, we're going to get maybe 12 series over all.
If by about series 6, one still doesn't like the direction of the show...may just be about time to reconsider ones position.
But for the moment, we haven't really had that much to go on.
I could say more, but I really don't want to be confrontational(heck I don't like that myself.)
But to me it's just a matter of common sense: why would you spend time on something you are no longer enjoying?
I could see for example, Canon purists wanting to go on for example a Sherlock forum and argue against the show and I would happily take them on.
But the BBC have every right to make the show they want to and there are plenty of people who love it(warts and all) just as it is and if we don't like some stuff, we say so.
I don't think any of the Sherlock team are saints, but I respect their talent and their right to show their vision how they choose.
After all it's just a TV show and we either choose to watch it or not.
I wouldn't watch something I didn't enjoy, though of course it's sometimes interesting to see how things pan out.
But this is a fan site and again to me it's blindingly obvious that most people here are huge fans of the show and I personally wouldn't be surprised to find views very supportive of the show.
But I haven't encountered one member of this board who is uncritical. Rightly so, we should intelligently watch even a TV show.
Personally I do feel something different happens in the Sherlock fandom...but I really don't think I can say any more about that and hey, I've said more than I meant to and gone off topic again.

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**Posted by Lilythiell** April 9, 2016 10:38 am

Oh, Solar, no dear.
I meant that I have faith in them, not that there's nothing to discuss. Like Vhanja said, there are tons of things to discuss.
I'm all for discussing thing - or rather other people discussing, because I know I would either consider it fighting or be extremely rude. And stupid. And useless. So keeping out of that. Or at least trying to, at the moment. - but maybe in another thread?

**Posted by SolarSystem** April 9, 2016 10:48 am

Lilythiell, don't worry, my answer wasn't directed at you.
In German we have the word "Totschlagargument" (my online dictionary translates it with "thought-terminating cliché"). And sentences like "We either accept it or write our own darn show!" are exactly that. It might not be what was intended by this sentence, but to me it basically reads as "Accept it or shut up". Same goes for suggesting a separate thread for disappointed fans, it's like saying "Of course you can be disappointed, but please don't bother everyone else with it".

**Posted by besleybean** April 9, 2016 10:57 am

I hope you read my last, long post Solar. Any questions, please ask.
Though we can say the same in English. I wasn't tell anybody to shut up and go away, I was making a basic point- but I hope my longer post explained it more for you.
Plus, people on here have also requested separate threads to feel safe in their Johnlock and non-Johnlock positions.
I personally don't agree with the need for those, but I don't see it as any different to asking(nay 'suggesting') for a 'disappointed ' thread.

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** April 9, 2016 12:00 pm

nakahara wrote:
Once again, the summary of yesterday´s Setlock:

http://thesetison.tumblr.com/post/142487323926/setlock-4816-we-got-confirmation-that

Thank you! I wasn't home yesterday and still am not so it's good to have these summaries

**Posted by nakahara** April 9, 2016 1:39 pm

besleybean wrote:
But to me it's just a matter of common sense: why would you spend time on something you are no longer enjoying?

Hmm, in my case I don´t care much about Mary and hate the possible baby-plot, but I enjoy Benedict´s and Martin´s portayals of Sherlock and John, Doyle references, cinematography of Sherlock and the like... I post into threads dedicated to these things accordingly.

Suddenly, one of my posts that is negative is taken out of the mass and somebody extrapolates on it, thinking that I dislike the whole show...

It isn´t like that, obviously.

So why should anyone demand this "mental totality" (either total and unconditional dedication or total and unconditional hatred of things) is beyond me. That´s not how it works in real life, is it? We can hate aspects of things we love or love some aspects of things we generally don´t like.... this philosophy of "everything or nothing" is an alien concept for me...

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**Posted by nakahara** April 9, 2016 1:39 pm

This Is The Phantom Lady wrote:
nakahara wrote:
Once again, the summary of yesterday´s Setlock:

http://thesetison.tumblr.com/post/142487323926/setlock-4816-we-got-confirmation-that
Thank you! I wasn't home yesterday and still am not so it's good to have these summaries

With pleasure, Phantom. I enjoy it too.

**Posted by nakahara** April 9, 2016 2:13 pm

Oh my, oh my. The script for second episode finally emerged.

**Posted by besleybean** April 9, 2016 2:19 pm

Do these people never rest?!

**Posted by nakahara** April 9, 2016 2:27 pm

**Posted by besleybean** April 9, 2016 2:31 pm

Woohoo.