Indeed it's just over a week since Mary and John had their big Christmas Day reconciliation and then Sherlock shot Magnussen in RL.

In Sherlocks MP he is seeing the marriage as dysfunctional. He doesn't really address Mary when he sees her. Not properly, as a client yes but... Not as a person.

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SusiGo wrote:

Liberty wrote:

I think she wants to go with John in particular, rather than that she wants to a detective.

Wich would very much against Canon and against what the writers have said the show is - the Sherlock and John show. I know there are viewers who wish to see a trio instead of two men solving crimes but I am not one of them. And I am not alone in this. Which, btw, has nothing to do with me not being a feminist - I would watch a show in which Sherlock and John were female. Anytime. But one of the key elements, if not THE key element, of the SH universe in any adaptation is that is is about two friends, not a man, his friend, and his wife. 

This is also why I really dislike the "Saving Sholto" scene in TSoT. Better not get me started about that since for me there is so much wrong with it.

But the thing is that if they had wanted to show this trio, they chose a strange way to do so. Because the connection between Sherlock, John and Mary in TAB is close to zero. I see no friendship, no warmth, no love there, neither in the Victorian nor in the modern scenes. And this cannot be a coincidence. This is Sherlock's innermost self analysing the situation. 
 

I agree: I definitely do not want to see the "crimesolving trio", and I'm reassured by the way that Moftiss talk about the show and Sherlock and John's relationship that we not turn into that.   But in the mind palace, it still looks as if Sherlock sees Mary as wanting to join them - I'm kind of surprised that nobody else seems to see it that way, to be honest.  Good point about Sholto though - it may have been that incident that gave Sherlock the idea (Mary running after them). 

I keep in mind that Sherlock has not seen John and Mary happily married, except very briefly.  Mary shoots him just after the wedding (I personally think that the first scene in TAB with Mary refers to this), and John and Mary had only tentatively reconciled (outside of Sherlock's view) just before Sherlock shot Magnussen and went to prison.  They're not playing happy families, and I think the mind palace reflects that.  There is definitely some conflict in the Victorian scenes - in the modern scenes it's more difficult to tell because the scenes are so brief and they are focused on Sherlock, but presumably they haven't moved on much - there's hardly any time between the reconciliation and the airport. 

Two unconventional characters in an unusual marriage.

A telling find, Susi. (Well, some may say couples are most happy if they avoid talking altogether, but I'm not sure in this case, though  )

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SusiGo wrote:

Nakahara: I agree. I do not see the need for that, especially not in a classic universe like the Holmes/Watson one. There are better ways of adapting the story to modern needs and IMO it has been done well with characters like Sarah and Sally. 

And Molly!  Don't forget Molly. =)