BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / Refugees

**Posted by Sherlock Holmes** September 24, 2015 9:00 pm

One of the most disturbing things about all this is the way it has really brought out the nasty side of some people. I've had to unfriend a few people on my Facebook and even some of my extended family have been saying some, well, wrong things. And I'm just like ><
These are people, just like any of us. Families with children. And it's a humanitarian crisis. It isn't about benefits or ripping off the system.

**Posted by Davina** September 25, 2015 6:33 pm

Same here Boss. Some people seem to have lost their humanity and compassion. I find that deeply troubling and sad.

**Posted by besleybean** October 14, 2015 8:24 am

And sadly desperate people fight amongst themselves, too.

**Posted by ukaunz** November 20, 2015 12:17 am

This powerful ad is about a Sudanese refugee, I hope it's okay to post it in this thread.

Definitely a more positive view of refugees. I'm not sure if it can be applied to the current situation, but I think it's worth a watch.

**Posted by tonnaree** November 20, 2015 1:37 pm

Sherlock Holmes wrote:
One of the most disturbing things about all this is the way it has really brought out the nasty side of some people. I've had to unfriend a few people on my Facebook and even some of my extended family have been saying some, well, wrong things. And I'm just like ><
These are people, just like any of us. Families with children. And it's a humanitarian crisis. It isn't about benefits or ripping off the system.

Same here. Once again I am ashamed at the behavior of many of my countrymen. Our congress has even voted to deny the refugees entry! Although I think/hope, it will not pass all the way through.

It's the hypocrisy that really gets me. Most of the people ranting about the refugees being terrorists are hard core Christian conservatives who seem to have forgotten the actual teachings of Christ.

**Posted by besleybean** November 20, 2015 5:18 pm

And that they are of immigrant stock?

**Posted by Davina** November 21, 2015 10:11 am

All but the Native Americans- the few remaining.... Some Americans seem keen to return to Isolationism. To me it seems rather like people who come to a party (sometimes as gatecrashers) and exit a few days later for their cosy homes, leaving behind all the debris and damage for others to deal with.

**Posted by Harriet** January 7, 2016 1:54 pm

Fact is that many people feel entitled to spread their opinions as facts.

**Posted by Harriet** January 7, 2016 2:38 pm

What you call fact are your evaluation of a complex situation. You can't tell what the future will be like nor if any number is too high or too low - that's your idea.
Sentences like " You don't believe me?" "Are you honestly trying to tell me that ... " do actually sound slightly hysterical to me, but that's perhaps just my own problem.

**Posted by Harriet** January 7, 2016 3:32 pm

There are lots of people who actually do something and help and listen and work for integration.
In a less flustered state.

**Posted by besleybean** January 7, 2016 5:40 pm

Glad to see you being so positive about things.
UK media were showing a few German scare stories over the weekend.

**Posted by Harriet** January 7, 2016 5:55 pm

I know - unfortunately in the UK media often seem to picture Germany as bad example and jump on each story, mixing up things then, and so on. While I'm in fact proud of my country. Our constitution grants every person the right to apply for asylum and the right for their story to be heard. At the moment we are a shelter for people in big distress.
And as a country, Germany is regarded wealthy and especially open-minded enough to make people want to built a future for them here. Another thing we could be proud of, in comparison to other places in the world.
And lots of people spend a lot of time volunteering and helping. Often for the first time in their life.
Often old people remember their own stories being a migrant coming to western Germany. And talk about how they felt being rejected then or warm welcomed. Interesting stories that tell us of a time when even more refugees were on their search of a new home after WW2.
So while there are indeed big challenges, it's not just bad and scary.

Last edited by Harriet (January 7, 2016 6:01 pm)

**Posted by besleybean** January 7, 2016 6:00 pm

Well our UK gov is just a disaster, so I'm not entirely surprised at the attitudes they perpetuate.
The situation is better in Scotland, I feel.

**Posted by Harriet** January 7, 2016 6:05 pm

Yes, I heard that about Scotland, too. More empathy and generosity than in England. And less UKIP, right?

**Posted by besleybean** January 7, 2016 6:07 pm

God no...we hardly have any Tories even!

**Posted by Harriet** January 7, 2016 6:11 pm

Long live the Scots!

**Posted by besleybean** January 7, 2016 6:18 pm

That's why we live here.
We moved here in 1990, to get as far from Margaret Thatcher as we could...she resigned soon afterwards!

**Posted by Harriet** January 7, 2016 6:24 pm

So you are refugees, too - in some way, at least

**Posted by tonnaree** January 7, 2016 6:32 pm

General Mod reminder: We appreciate everyone trying to keep a calm head and respect each other's opinions. Politics are dangerous ground anyway and this is a current hot button issue. We can all have different ideas but ultimately we all came here with a shared passion and should be nice to each other.

**Posted by besleybean** January 7, 2016 6:47 pm

Oh I must have missed something, I think I've been nice!