Nah... better not. Someone has to restore balance to the (forum)universe
but biscuits... that's quite a temptation...

Dorothy83 wrote:

Whisky wrote:

Oh yes, the part about the weight. I wondered about that, too. It's really strange. Gives me the feeling of little meet-ups in cafes or sth like that... but why would they??

Could it be, if most of us took a big leap and just tried the thought, could it be that Sherlock and Mary actually are kind of friends? I mean, Sherlock words "why didn't you come to me in the first place" suggest they have a relationship as friends might have.

Although it makes me really uneasy, because then not John's wife shot Sherlock, but one of his friends... which makes it way worse than it is anyway.

bit off-topic, but yeah.

And if John misses Sherlock so much, why doesn't he totally explode when Sherlock uses the words "Mary and me think..." ?? Because it suggests Mary meets Sherlock but not him, John. He would be upset, wouldn't he? But we don't see it. So what's going on?
 

Sherlock *really* wouldn't meet just with Mary, especially not just for chit chats in coffee shops - apart from that there wouldn't be any reason, he is really not the type. And if that had happened, Mary would have told John, and John would have been even more put out and mentioned it to Sherlock in his rant.

They definitely meant that he deduced it just like in the case of her not liking the moustache.

If Sherlock had been chatting with Mary all that time, it makes what she did to him so much worse...arrrgh!

This might be overanalyzing a bit, and as the author admitted herself, she is projecting. (I'm just assuming it's a she, could be a he).

Anyway, I found this to be a very interestting and plausible analysis of John's character.

http://johnlockfanfiction.tumblr.com/post/132977589879/john-isnt-hiding-from-his-sexuality-exactly

I don't see it as a matter of it being anyone's fault, but the fact that actions have consequences based on who you are and your background.

SusiGo wrote:

I am not sure if this is the right place for this, probably not, but I could not find anything else. And I find it really interesting: 

http://inevitably-johnlocked.tumblr.com/post/136049599910/hudders-and-hiddles-monikakrasnorada

Very plausible... and very tragic misunderstanding. 
 

And I like how it creates a sort of balance and an explanation for their behaviour instead of having this fruitless discussion about who of them hurts the other more, behaves worse, is more heartless and unfeeling. 

Sherlock usually does not defend himself. We do not even see him mentioning that he jumped to save John. He never tries to show himself in a better light by explaining his actions. 

SusiGo wrote:

Sherlock usually does not defend himself. We do not even see him mentioning that he jumped to save John. He never tries to show himself in a better light by explaining his actions. 

Yep. I think people forget this one. 

Vhanja wrote:

I seem to recall him defending himself several times throughout the series, whenever he does something that John finds morally acceptable and which Sherlock finds to be ok considering the reasons why he did it.

 
Do you have a specific example of this? I'm trying to remember. I'm thinking of when John accused Sherlock of not caring about the victims, and Sherlock's response read more to me of explanation, not being defensive. And then, John proved Sherlock's point, when he decided *not* to help save people's lives, because he was angry with Sherlock for not being emotional about the plight of the victims, when Sherlock's action-- working to solve the case was the only way to save them. Whew! Talk about a convoluted sentence!

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I think Sherlock lying in TRF is slightly different, though - he's not doing it to protect John's feelings, but to protect his life (and other people's lives).   In fact he risks John's feelings by lying to protect him, rather than lying to protect his feelings.   It's possible that because he's Sherlock he doesn't see the two as different, of course.  But otherwise, I think that although he may learn from John that John approves of lying to protect feelings, that's not the reason for Sherlock lying in TRF (because he doesn't lie to protect feelings).  And it's also not the reason he thinks John would be OK with the lie (because again, he didn't lie to protect John's feelings, but quite the opposite - he hurt John with a lie, and the lie was for another purpose than protecting John's feelings).   Could Sherlock really have got the message from John that John thinks all lies are OK, even if they hurt people?   Because in both those situations (the scene with Molly, above, and John lying about Irene), surely it's clear that John is talking about lying to spare people's feelings - he even makes that quite clear in the Molly scene.