It is in the firm ground of S3 that we plant the flag of the OSAJ!

*back up ladies I'm on a roll* 

Let her fly proudly! 

tonnaree wrote:

A lovely light wrote:

Schmiezi wrote:

Um, yes, we have this OTHER thread that kind of answers that question ...
http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=4862

Muhahahhaaaa....

Sadly, the more a rewatch S3, the less i see it being there or happening in the future. 

But S3 is simply drowning in Johnlock!  TSoT is the most johnlock episode that ever johnlocked! 

Strange, isn't it? The most people think that and for me is not. I read loads of meta about it, but somehow the chemistry between the two main characters in S3 is a tad different to that in S1 and S2. And this chemistry doesn't scream to me at all Johnlock. I fail to see for example anything more than friendship between John and his ex-commander like some see ( i cannot believe that if you are still close with an ex to invite him to your wedding he will spoke to you first by your family name). For me is very telling that Sherlock is not jealous at all to Mary, he accepts her totally, even more than John does. When John hugs Sherlock at the weeding, Sherlock doesn't even react and give back the hug but stay there awkward. I miss the connection, the bond between the two we see in S1 and 2. In what John thinks are his last moments, he only sais about his admiration for Sherlock qualities, but nothing about his emotions. If not in your last seconds, when? And when he speaks about his emotions (well, sort of, a la John's art), he uses always the parallel to Mary (two persons who he loves, two persons who have changed his life), as if the writers wants to make very clear that Mary is his wife and Sherlock is his friend. For sure there are 2-3 moments, who can be seen in a way or in the other one (like i cannot understand why Ms. Hudson still thinks that they were togheter when the door of their flat was wide open and she saw them daily).

tobeornot221b wrote:

A lovely light wrote:

tonnaree wrote:

But S3 is simply drowning in Johnlock!  TSoT is the most johnlock episode that ever johnlocked! 

Strange, isn't it? The most people think that and for me is not. I read loads of meta about it, but somehow the chemistry between the two main characters in S3 is a tad different to that in S1 and S2. And this chemistry doesn't scream to me at all Johnlock. I fail to see for example anything more than friendship between John and his ex-commander like some see ( i cannot believe that if you are still close with an ex to invite him to your wedding he will spoke to you first by your family name). For me is very telling that Sherlock is not jealous at all to Mary, he accepts her totally, even more than John does. When John hugs Sherlock at the weeding, Sherlock doesn't even react and give back the hug but stay there awkward. I miss the connection, the bond between the two we see in S1 and 2. In what John thinks are his last moments, he only sais about his admiration for Sherlock qualities, but nothing about his emotions. If not in your last seconds, when? And when he speaks about his emotions (well, sort of, a la John's art), he uses always the parallel to Mary (two persons who he loves, two persons who have changed his life), as if the writers wants to make very clear that Mary is his wife and Sherlock is his friend. For sure there are 2-3 moments, who can be seen in a way or in the other one (like i cannot understand why Ms. Hudson still thinks that they were togheter when the door of their flat was wide open and she saw them daily).

Erm...what can I say? Only that I couldn't disagree more with most of what you write. But don't mind.

Same here, tobe.
I think the question that has to be asked about most of the things A lovely light has mentioned is: why? Why does Sherlock seem to accept Mary totally, why doesn't Sherlock really react to John's hug, why is it so difficult for John to talk about his emotions towards Sherlock even when death appears to be imminent? Answer those questions and it will become a bit more obvious why so many people see so much Johnlock in S3. 
 

Don't give up the ship!

Those are great points @ A Lovely Light, and I'm going to think about them.  I agree that Sherlock is jealous when it comes to Sholto, not Mary.  It's as if he sees Mary as an extension of John, but Sholto as a rival.  That helps pinpoint for me the kind of love he feels for John - it's not sexual. 

To be honest, I think that if there was a powerful sexual attraction it might have manifested itself during the stag night, when their guard is down.  Not necessarily - alcohol lowers inhibitions but doesn't completely incapacitate them.  

Actually, one thing missing from the stag night is them hugging each other and saying how much they love each other, which is what I'd expect from a couple of drunken friends.  Of course, you could argue that that's because they're repressing their feelings so much that they don't do what people would usually do. 

I think it's complicated as well, because we know that the relationship with Mary is temporary and that the relationship with John will endure regardless (at least I hope so - I don't think they'd change that).

Mrs Hudson's comments are just a standing joke, I think.  What's nice is that none of the comments about them being a gay couple are meant in a homophobic way, and the characters don't take them that way (and are not homophobic themselves).  I think it's a play on the fact that it can be said outright now, over and over, whereas in ACD's day it was unspoken.  Instead of it never being mentioned and people wondering if they might be gay, people just assume they are gay and mention it all the time. 

We have tiiiiimmmmmeeeee, a lot of tiiiiimmmmmeeeeeee.... till Christmas 2015.....

"To be honest, I think that if there was a powerful sexual attraction it might have manifested itself during the stag night, when their guard is down.  Not necessarily - alcohol lowers inhibitions but doesn't completely incapacitate them. "

In my eyes it did manifest, in as much as Sherlock and John were able to even with liquer as an excuse.   Pardon me but they were flirting their asses off during that guessing game and then John's little slip of the hand?  Come on people!  If that had been a man and a women people would've been screaming at the telly for them to kiss already!

SusiGo wrote:

tonnaree wrote:

"To be honest, I think that if there was a powerful sexual attraction it might have manifested itself during the stag night, when their guard is down.  Not necessarily - alcohol lowers inhibitions but doesn't completely incapacitate them. "

In my eyes it did manifest, in as much as Sherlock and John were able to even with liquer as an excuse.   Pardon me but they were flirting their asses off during that guessing game and then John's little slip of the hand?  Come on people!  If that had been a man and a women people would've been screaming at the telly for them to kiss already!

I agree. And we see them sitting side by side on the sofa, Sherlock having his arm somewhere on the backrest behind John's shoulders, a thing we have never seen them doing before.
So what if Tessa had not disturbed them when they were sitting so cosily on the sofa? 

And do not get me started about them lying side by side on the stairs ... and there are some quite explicit metas about the symbolism of the drunk deduction scene as well.

And that's really all I wanted to see in connection with the stag night. We're still talking about "Sherlock" here, and I personally didn't expect or need anymore tension between them. I actually want them to be as sober as humanly possible once they get more physical with each other. 
 

SusiGo wrote:

Yes, this is true. I just wanted to add that there is quite a lot of physical tension between them. But to go any further they should be of course sober. 

 
EXACTLY!

"Electric Blue Serenity" is one of my favorite fics and in it John gets drugged and starts coming on strong to Sherlock.  Sherlock kisses him but fights to pull back.  He tells John that when he finally gets him in bed he wants him there body and mind.   *swoon*