BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / Baby Watson (spoilers!)

**Posted by besleybean** December 28, 2014 8:44 am

I do tend to wonder if they deliberately introduced baby to wind us all up...

**Posted by Schmiezi** December 28, 2014 9:11 am

besleybean wrote:
I do tend to wonder if they deliberately introduced baby to wind us all up...

I am sure they did.

**Posted by Vhanja** December 28, 2014 11:41 am

Schmiezi wrote:
Now that is true. To me, it comes down to the question, "Do you believe that Moftiss have a very clever plan, or did they maneuver themselves into a corner?" I'd like to believe that they have a very very clever plan.

I am convinced they have a very clear plan. They are far too professional and experienced to write themselves in a corner like that.

And didn't Mark Gatiss say that he and Steven had a creative strike and wrote down the outline of series 4 and 5?

**Posted by Ah-chie** December 29, 2014 2:12 pm

Yes, I believe that is what they said. They have roughed out two seasons.

- Val

**Posted by mrshouse** December 30, 2014 10:16 pm

Yes, I agree, a lame idea can be plotted out brilliantly. On the other hand there are movies with tons of great actors and it doesn't work at all or is frankly boring. Buuuut you can fall in love with one series and it's changed in a way that you just can't follow, which leaves you back as a heart broken fan...

**Posted by SolarSystem** December 30, 2014 10:40 pm

And even if an episode or even three episodes are executed brilliantly, it is still possible that they are telling a story or stories which don't work for everyone. In the end all we can do is wait and see what they'll come up with.

**Posted by Liberty** December 30, 2014 11:10 pm

Main character a disturbed, grieving and angry anti-social little girl, parented by sister, being investigated by social services, befriends a killing machine - loved it . "It's little and broken, but still good".

**Posted by nakahara** December 30, 2014 11:13 pm

Well, but those things weren´t based on the series of short stories and were not supposed to at least slightly resemble the original canon.

**Posted by mrshouse** December 31, 2014 10:38 am

The cases are one main factor, true, but definitely not what makes this show unique. So for me as a fan there must be more. All critics agree that brain, heart, kidney and liver of this show is the chemistry of Martin and Benedict on screen. And that is very much stretched in S 3 and will be even more with a toddler around. The cases alone do not distinguish this adaptation from others.

**Posted by Vhanja** December 31, 2014 11:23 am

mrshouse wrote:
The cases are one main factor, true, but definitely not what makes this show unique. So for me as a fan there must be more. All critics agree that brain, heart, kidney and liver of this show is the chemistry of Martin and Benedict on screen. And that is very much stretched in S 3 and will be even more with a toddler around. The cases alone do not distinguish this adaptation from others.

I agree with this. I can not fathom how to solve this with a baby around.

**Posted by melissak334** January 4, 2015 5:14 am

Was thinking about how they started S3 with "two years later" and was wondering if it would be possible to pick up S4 after the baby has been born and the characters are a bit more used to her presence. Mary shows up with her (if they keep the baby they sort of have to keep Mary because John can't be a single parent while running around with Sherlock), they say she's cute, and then they move on. I don't want to spend a ton of time at a maternity ward in S4.

Or maybe they'll pick up the next season in 2024, as they're shipping their only child off to boarding school.

**Posted by mrshouse** May 11, 2015 11:49 am

Still can't wrap my head around a baby in Sherlock. And while I don't agree with everything said ( I wish she had left out Johnlock, I prefer those things to be separated) it provides some interesting thoughts:
http://deducingbbcsherlock.tumblr.com/post/80839602370/why-we-may-never-meet-baby-watson

**Posted by tonnaree** May 11, 2015 12:21 pm

I don't see there being a time jump unless it starts with John back in 221B and then goes back in time to show how he got there without Mary or the baby.

**Posted by lil** May 11, 2015 12:51 pm

AA seems pretty certain she will be in S04 so even with a time jump of just a few weeks...we get the baby?
Though I did think the - it's not a gang show it's the Sherlock and John show - quote from the con was a hint we wouldn't get a foursome.
I am thinking Mary@baby will have to go .. but in a not dead way.

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**Posted by Yitzock** May 11, 2015 1:59 pm

I hope not. I like Mary. Even though of course the show is mostly about Sherlock and John, I don't think they can get rid of Mary with how much she has been present in series 3.

**Posted by Ah-chie** May 11, 2015 2:19 pm

I like Mary too! Not a majority opinion around here, though.

I think she will be around for at least a bit more, but it isn't inconceiveable that the writers might decide to go along with the ACD books some point in time and have her exit (stage left). I don't think it will be any time too soon though.

I'll be sad to see her go, when and if it happens. I think (despite the shooting) Mary and Sherlock are very much the same in many respects and relate well to each other. And I think Mary and John are great together!

The Baby... not so sure about how it would fit in. Much less (way much less) enthusiastic about Baby Watson in the mix. For me, personally, I would hope the writers decide it not to be a part of the story - or if it was, then make it extremely short term and mainly mentioned in passing and not too much more.

But I have lots and lots of faith in the writers/creators that they won't make it a "family/all about the baby" show - I like things in the adult range when it comes to the characters.

-Val

**Posted by Harriet** May 11, 2015 2:22 pm

Think about the topic - the baby!

**Posted by tonnaree** May 11, 2015 2:23 pm

lil wrote:
AA seems pretty certain she will be in S04 so even with a time jump of just a few weeks...we get the baby?
Though I did think the - it's not a gang show it's the Sherlock and John show - quote from the con was a hint we wouldn't get a foursome.
I am thinking Mary@baby will have to go .. but in a not dead way.

Of course AA will be in S4. Even if the character of Mary dies they still have to show us how she gets there.

**Posted by Yitzock** May 11, 2015 2:33 pm

Ah-chie wrote:
The Baby... not so sure about how it would fit in. Much less (way much less) enthusiastic about Baby Watson in the mix. For me, personally, I would hope the writers decide it not to be a part of the story - or if it was, then make it extremely short term and mainly mentioned in passing and not too much more.

But I have lots and lots of faith in the writers/creators that they won't make it a "family/all about the baby" show - I like things in the adult range when it comes to the characters.

-Val

Yeah, I doubt we will see much of the baby except to establish that the baby has been born and is part of John's life. But if they made the baby any more important than that, it would change the show and I don't think they want to change the tone of the show.
I do wonder if it will mean that there will be more conflict between John going on cases and staying home to take care of the baby, same with Mary. Mary's smart, though, and I wonder whether she'll find a way to be involved without necessarily having to leave the baby. Or John for that matter. Or maybe we'll get a scene where John gets mad at Sherlock for taking him away from his family so much. But I think Sherlock would reply saying that John likes the excitement and wouldn't be happy just staying home all the time. Unless of course the writers think that's too similar to the conversation about Mary in HLV.

**Posted by mrshouse** May 11, 2015 2:41 pm

Yitzock wrote:
Ah-chie wrote:
The Baby... not so sure about how it would fit in. Much less (way much less) enthusiastic about Baby Watson in the mix. For me, personally, I would hope the writers decide it not to be a part of the story - or if it was, then make it extremely short term and mainly mentioned in passing and not too much more.

But I have lots and lots of faith in the writers/creators that they won't make it a "family/all about the baby" show - I like things in the adult range when it comes to the characters.

-Val
Yeah, I doubt we will see much of the baby except to establish that the baby has been born and is part of John's life. But if they made the baby any more important than that, it would change the show and I don't think they want to change the tone of the show.
I do wonder if it will mean that there will be more conflict between John going on cases and staying home to take care of the baby, same with Mary. Mary's smart, though, and I wonder whether she'll find a way to be involved without necessarily having to leave the baby. Or John for that matter. Or maybe we'll get a scene where John gets mad at Sherlock for taking him away from his family so much. But I think Sherlock would reply saying that John likes the excitement and wouldn't be happy just staying home all the time. Unless of course the writers think that's too similar to the conversation about Mary in HLV.

I think with Mary they did already go very much for a change of tone and every fan has to decide for himself if he likes it or not. But that is OT and should rather be for the Mary-threads. If the baby is born but that's about it, hm, it doesn't make to much sense to set it up first place.