Yes, the commentary threw me, I have to admit.   It seemed so clear that Mary was being set up as a villain, possibly even the main villain of S4, especially as so much was unresolved (there is never any open and honest conversation with her).  They compare Mary to Callan, and say that she's done bad things but only because she had to (or something like that) - they talk about her almost killing Sherlock as if it was a mistake (although I'm not sure about that one) and the reconciliation scene as if it's genuine (i.e. John is sincere).   There's still a bit room for maneouvre and I think they could still make her a villain and be consistent with those comments, but I'm definitely less sure that they will. 

I think that either way, losing her is going to be difficult for John.   It doesn't matter how villainous she is - she's the mother of his child and he loved her. 

Mary, I've seen some really strange and irrational stuff about Mary out on the internet (remind me to avoid tumblr).

I don't see Mary as a villain, and I do believe John love her deeply. (If he didn't, he would have dropped her l ike a hat after the revelation). 

Even so, I don't like the direction the show has been going now. John getting settled with Mary, a baby on the way. Everything that takes him further and further away from Sherlock and 221B. 

And they've said that Mary can go six months without an adventure, but not seven (or something like that).  So, it wouldn't quite fit to have her continue to work part-time at the surgery and look after the child while John went out and had fun with Sherlock all the time.  That means option 2 might be out.

I have a feeling at the moment, that Mary will be redeemed, but die.  If they don't want an actual baby, that could happen before the baby is born.    If they don't want to dwell on grieving John, there's the possibility to do something like:

Special: just after HLV while Mary is pregnant (or a flashback or something)
S4 Ep 1: Mary still pregnant and dies
S4 Ep 2: Two years after ep 1 - John has moved back in with Sherlock, no longer dealing with the immediate grief.  
 

maryagrawatson wrote:

I just don't get the insane vitriol against Mary because I don't think her shooting Sherlock (for reasons that are perfectly clear to me) is in any way as bad as the way John has treated Sherlock in series 3. The hate for Mary on this forum is frankly frightening. After first viewing HLV, I expected her to come back as a villain, but upon further analysis, it would be surprise me if her role gets any darker. I've covered a lot of those thoughts in other threads, so I won't get back into it again, although I look forward to the comments I get about these thoughts.

Mod's note:
We are still talking about a fictional character here, not a real person. I cannot accept expressions like "insane vitriol" and the much overused "hate" directed at members of this forum. People are free to say so if they do not like a fictional character or his/her actions. This applies to Sherlock and John as it does apply to Mary. 
Btw - I love series 3 but I deeply regret the obvious division it caused in the fandom and by extension in this forum.   


 

Last edited by SusiGo (December 20, 2014 12:38 pm)

This is not what my post was about. It was about inappropriate words directed at members of this board, words which I find offensive and cannot accept being used around here. We are all adults and should be able to discuss in here without using words like "hate". 

As to your view of Mary as a character - it was the decision of the writers to turn her into a morally grey ex-assassin, not the idea of the Johnlockers. As a character she was widely accepted and liked until HLV. 

Exactly. 

While the desire between John and Sherlock appears to be the Elephant in the Room between them two. It's there but they would not yet let it show. In this perception Johnlock would be the elephant 

Harriet wrote:

maryagrawatson wrote:

The hate for Mary on this forum is frankly frightening...

I think that's an exaggeration. The "hate" word is quite overused here.
 

Says the person who felt necessary to scream at me in all capitals that Mary shot Sherlock.

Mary

Harriet wrote:

maryagrawatson wrote:

The hate for Mary on this forum is frankly frightening...

I think that's an exaggeration. The "hate" word is quite overused here.
 

Says the person who felt necessary to scream at me in all capitals that Mary shot Sherlock.

I find it amazing that it's perfectly okay for some people to say absolutely terrible things about what they want to have happen to a character and tell another poster it's not okay to have a different opinion, but when that poster with a different opinion does the same, she is chastized. Nice double standard.

I knew this was the topic that was going to lead me to this point and I've avoided responding to it as much as I could, but some of you really need to go back and read some of your comments about Mary and take a good hard look at them because hate and insane vitriol are facts, not opinions.

I've had a lot of fun on this board, but I'm done. I won't be back.

Mary
 

Last edited by maryagrawatson (December 20, 2014 3:31 pm)

What's a ret-con?