BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

**Posted by BrettHolmes** June 3, 2014 2:07 pm

Moriarty was brought back even though he had been quoted as saying he was finished back in early 2013 saying “He shot himself in the face, what more do you want? Do you think they were up on that rooftop to fake suicide each other?.”

Here is the link
http://geek-news.mtv.com/2013/07/18/sdcc-2013-sherlock-panel/

I don’t know whether they decided to bring Moriarty back at the last minute (an eleventh hour decision) or if his return was part of the plan all along and he just lied about him being finished to shock all the fans. Either way, I have to take what he says in interviews in regards to his plans for the show with a grain of salt. Moffat is a great TV writer (ASiP and ASIB are proof) but from now on I can’t trust what he says.

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**Posted by maryagrawatson** June 3, 2014 2:17 pm

I don't know much about ACD canon, but one thing I do know is that there were two Moriarties. I believe they were brothers, like Sherlock and Mycroft, but don't quote me on that. I believe that the Moriarty we've come to know isn't the real one, but rather the public face of the real one and the real one will be revealed in season 4.

Mary

**Posted by zeratul** June 3, 2014 2:59 pm

Well we actually dunno yet, if he is really back.

**Posted by MartaSt** June 3, 2014 3:03 pm

It was the first thing I have learnt after I joined the fandom - never to trust Moffat and Gatiss. All in all they were guys who have directed some fake scenes (for example with Mycroft and Moriarty) just to confuse fans. I think I will never trust them, even if the say that grass is green and sky is blue.

I think that they have planned to bring Moriarty back (or at least show him in the end of HLV) from the beginning and all theirs talking about this topic was only teasing (in a good way) with fans.

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**Posted by Jasmine** June 3, 2014 4:27 pm

We actually don't know if he's really alive or not. If it turns out that he is, I'd agree with you. It's one thing to evade questions misdirect your audience by fimling fake scenes, and another to outright lie to them.

I'd be quite disappointed if Jim turns out to be alive, actually. I love Andrew Scott, of course, and his Moriarty if fantastic, but... he died. If everyone fake their death, it's not interesting anymore. Irene, Sherlock, and now Moriarty?

**Posted by besleybean** June 3, 2014 4:33 pm

I would still forgive him, because I love both him and Andrew.

**Posted by MartaSt** June 3, 2014 4:41 pm

If they do it in very convincing way I think I will gladly welcome Moriarty back. But I agree with you Jasmine that there is far to much resurrection in this show. I hope that they will do something surprising instead of "hackneyed" way. But I do believe in them and I'm sure that they figure out something amazing

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**Posted by maryagrawatson** June 3, 2014 4:46 pm

One of my favourite theories is that Janine is Moriarty's sister and will be revealed as being 'real' Moriarty. Anyone else heard that one? She's also Irish with dark hair and dark eyes, which may or may not be a coincidence. Remember the envelope in TGG, addressed in a woman's strong, sure hand? I think that will become important in season 4.

Mary

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** June 3, 2014 4:50 pm

We have no clue if he is back or not... although the theory of 'our' Moriarty being a public image actually sounds good to me. Would also make some sense of that weird loop video...

But regarding Moffat and Gattis, I never believe a word they say about anything... Not a single one

**Posted by besleybean** June 3, 2014 4:51 pm

Janine has been discussed extensively on the forum!
Can't wait to find out...

**Posted by MartaSt** June 3, 2014 4:51 pm

I've never heard of this theory. But somehow I think that we will never see Janine again - she played her part and she is no longer needed. But that's only my prediction, we will see what will happen in the future.

**Posted by SusiGo** June 3, 2014 5:05 pm

Does anyone ever believe Moffat? ;-)

**Posted by besleybean** June 3, 2014 5:06 pm

Aw, he sometimes tells the truth...bless him.

**Posted by MartaSt** June 3, 2014 5:10 pm

SusiGo wrote:
Does anyone ever believe Moffat? ;-)

Hahaha probably not

**Posted by besleybean** June 3, 2014 5:13 pm

I do!

**Posted by MartaSt** June 3, 2014 5:16 pm

But I believe that it's somehow their charm that after their words you have to think if they are true or not

**Posted by tonnaree** June 3, 2014 5:17 pm

Moffit is a black hearted lying bastard. But I love him anyway.

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** June 3, 2014 5:22 pm

Not being able to trust him is such a big part of the charm

**Posted by Sherlock Holmes** June 13, 2014 7:26 pm

I have never believed anything Moffat says, ever. Nor Gatiss. They are complete trolls, the pair of them. The entire production team and cast of Sherlock are, in fact.

As for Moriarty, my vote is for the twin brothers. That's what I'd LIKE to happen, but it will probably end up being something completely different and unexpected, knowing this show.

**Posted by besleybean** June 13, 2014 7:28 pm

I'm hoping for twin bros, too.
What about Janine?
Is she a family member..or a red herring?

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