BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / Im Zeichen der Drei (TSoT), German TV ARD, June 8, 2014

**Posted by tobeornot221b** May 30, 2014 2:06 pm

A place for everything dubbed TSoT

**Posted by SolarSystem** June 2, 2014 8:39 pm

I know we still have almost a week to go before the episode airs, but here is my revolutionary theory about the scene in which John asks Sherlock to be his best man. I guess we all agree that the best man - best friend thing won't work like that in the dubbed version. So I think they will simply do the following:

Sherlock: Sie... Sie meinen...
John: Ja.
Sherlock: Ich bin ihr... bester Freund?
John: Trauzeuge.

Sherlock will say 'best friend', John will simply say 'Trauzeuge'. The play with words will be completely gone, but I guess they just don't have any other choice, right?

Last edited by SolarSystem (June 2, 2014 8:40 pm)

**Posted by mrshouse** June 2, 2014 8:43 pm

But according to my headcanon at this point we will already have " Duzlock", Solar.
And: this way it gets difficult to come back to: " Natürlich bist du mein bester Freund."

Last edited by mrshouse (June 2, 2014 8:47 pm)

**Posted by SolarSystem** June 2, 2014 8:55 pm

In my headcanon they change to 'Du' right after that short dialogue. Remember, this scene is told as a flashback. We actually don't hear Sherlock and John adress each other with 'you' before that scene in the episode - I looked it up and checked. This is the very first scene in the episode in which they talk to each other directly.

So, right after John's "Trauzeuge" he would continue and say: "Natürlich bist... Du das. Natürlich bist Du mein bester Freund." And there we would go with the 'Du'.

**Posted by zeratul** June 6, 2014 9:12 pm

Thank god the Sie-Mist is bald over....
My mother finds Sherlock boring -.- and she didn't understand it... she asked be today something about the trailer, why he jumped from that roof and so on. And she called Watson... That man, Sherlock's employee.... thank you German dubbing nonsense... Watson Sherlocks employee... oh Jes'

**Posted by SolarSystem** June 7, 2014 8:24 am

So I got the Blueray in the mail this morning and for the sake of... uhm... scientific research I just watched the proposal scene.
And I won't give anything away of course, let me just tell you: I was quite moved by it. Yes, can't really believe it myself. In my opinion it works beautifully. I'm sure you will all like it.
And by the way, I think they did a pretty clever thing to prepare the audience for the "Du" during the phone call between Mycroft and Sherlock. But you'll see... and hear.

**Posted by Harriet** June 7, 2014 8:35 am

You got it early. Isn't it released on Tuesday?

**Posted by SolarSystem** June 7, 2014 8:52 am

Yes, well... you won't like it, but I ordered it from Amazon. And I suppose because of Pentecost they sent it one day earlier than they normally would, to make sure it definitely arrives after the bank holiday. So, here we are...
And I just was too curious and already watched some other scenes as well... and I like what they did, on the whole. I'd love to go into details right now (the stag night, there is one line from Sherlock that totally cracked me up!), but that wouldn't be fair.

Last edited by SolarSystem (June 7, 2014 8:53 am)

**Posted by Harriet** June 7, 2014 9:22 am

Well, of course I don't like it However, I had checked their offer and it still says 10th as release day. So you were lucky. (Except for your bad karma now due to Amazon .)

**Posted by SusiGo** June 7, 2014 9:26 am

Totally OT but it made me happpy: During breakfast I was listening to the radio. The really lovely singer of Kraftklub who had thrown some hints regarding their new album was interviewed and said "Some of our fans are real little Sherlocks." Not Sherlock Holmeses but Sherlocks. Might be fanboy.

**Posted by zeratul** June 7, 2014 9:48 am

Oh, now I am curious . I was surprised that the release is that fast in Germany too, good work!
Well it seems that the dubbing is much better done on this season. I am glad about this . But yet still I won't buy the German version, just no need to.

**Posted by Mattlocked** June 7, 2014 10:49 am

No, I won't buy it, either. I'll just record it.

**Posted by Harriet** June 7, 2014 11:05 am

For peace's sake in our household I waited for the german version to buy, and will mostly use the english audio later on.
But I think it's nice to have a choice. Even if the german words on screen are a little annoying

**Posted by Mattlocked** June 7, 2014 2:17 pm

I agree. And, as you mentioned before, I already discovered some things which I missed in the English version.

**Posted by Schmiezi** June 8, 2014 6:55 am

Harriet wrote:
For peace's sake in our household I waited for the german version to buy, and will mostly use the english audio later on.

Me too! And I usually show it to my pupils in german, because I want them to like it. Their English is not really good enough to understand AND enjoy at the same time. So it is not just for household peace, but also for work. Kind of. Ahem.

**Posted by SusiGo** June 8, 2014 8:11 am

I will record them instead of buying the DVDs as I already have the original DVDs. And it is important for me to watch them with my family as well.

**Posted by Harriet** June 8, 2014 11:52 am

Schmiezi wrote:
So it is not just for household peace, but also for work. Kind of. Ahem.

Like for science. And art. Very important, and all that.

**Posted by SolarSystem** June 8, 2014 2:53 pm

And Sherlockian science is the most important science of all. Even if it's dubbed.

**Posted by gently69** June 8, 2014 9:16 pm

Yes ... well I am really satisfied with the dubbed version. Really good choice to stay with the best man original. Und the change to "du".

**Posted by SolarSystem** June 8, 2014 9:16 pm

Okay, apart from the fact that Mary was clearly recognizable in the trailer they just showed for HLV...
...I love Sherlock's "Ich hol nur mal schnell was raus" (I love myself a bit of Johnlock subtext, even if it sort of just happened and is no subtext at all ) and his "Das Spiel hat.... dings".