BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / a question to those who dislike mary

**Posted by tonnaree** July 10, 2014 2:20 am

Sherlock Holmes wrote:
tonnaree wrote:
SusiGo wrote:
True. And they chose to do a very different wedding in which groom and best man get to do the things usually reserved for the bridal couple (as we have discussed in another thread ).

Which thread is that Susi? I think I might like it.
Really? Did you guys watch a different episode? The UNCUT Johnlock version or something??

Every episode is a Johnlock episode.

**Posted by SolarSystem** July 10, 2014 7:20 am

tonnaree wrote:
SusiGo wrote:
True. And they chose to do a very different wedding in which groom and best man get to do the things usually reserved for the bridal couple (as we have discussed in another thread ).

Which thread is that Susi? I think I might like it.

Have a look, I'm sure you'll love it!
http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=5258

**Posted by Bored-to-be-alive** July 10, 2014 10:27 am

I'd rather see Sherlock and John together without any woman.

**Posted by Sherlock Holmes** July 10, 2014 11:23 am

Swanpride wrote:
I know, many people said they liked Mary when she first appeared but, well, I wonder, wasn't it also a little bit a matter of "she is nice enough and it will be only for one season either way, after that John can go back to Sherlock"? I think the worst thing about Mary is not what she is or isn't, but that she dared to survive the season.

Yeah, the majority of people definitely expected her to die in Series 3, myself included.

**Posted by tonnaree** July 10, 2014 11:42 am

Swanpride wrote:
I know, many people said they liked Mary when she first appeared but, well, I wonder, wasn't it also a little bit a matter of "she is nice enough and it will be only for one season either way, after that John can go back to Sherlock"? I think the worst thing about Mary is not what she is or isn't, but that she dared to survive the season.

I had not thought of it in that way. Can certainly see that being a factor.

**Posted by besleybean** July 10, 2014 4:10 pm

I think some people wanted her dead.

**Posted by SusiGo** July 10, 2014 4:15 pm

I think many people expected her to die as this happens in ACD. And there had been some rumours. But as for the question - no, I do not dislike Mary because she survived series 3. That would be a bit easy. I have explained elsewhere and in detail why I cannot excuse her actions as a character.

Btw, this is quite an interesting comparison:

http://piningjohn.tumblr.com/post/91400048442/piningjohn-the-thing-is-if-they-wanted-us-to

I already wondered why they interwove the "idyllic" Christmas scene with the dark Baker Street scene but this makes perfect sense to me. It very much undermines the forgiveness as we are constantly reminded of what happened between the three of them.

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**Posted by Lue4028** July 13, 2014 5:43 am

What a cool comparison. They make John and Sherlock's relationship so much more dramatic. So very perplexing..
I really want Mary dead. Very much so. Idk if it'll happen, Moffat loves to be unpredictable.
Yes, I forgive everything moriarty does. Even the blind lady. He's a very lovable villain.. and so cute! He's always improving the plot and setting Sherlock up to do great things.
I think Mary gives the writers a lot more flexibility in future seasons- she definately makes things more complicated and we could end up with more interesting Sherlock/John moments with her. We could have gone without her and had a great show, but I feel like her introduction really adds a dimension- more plot, more relationships, more characters (watson's daughter). I'm glad they're building on top of the bromance in a revolutionary way, instead of rehashing John and Sherlock's chemistry from the past two seasons. I have faith in their ability to write relationships well. I think with this ground work they can do what they did in the first seasons in a new and surprising way.

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**Posted by Stonker** July 13, 2014 7:49 am

Lue4028 wrote:
I think Mary gives the writers a lot more flexibility in future seasons- she definately makes things more complicated and we could end up with more interesting Sherlock/John moments with her. We could have gone without her and had a great show, but I feel like her introduction really adds a dimension- more plot, more relationships, more characters (watson's daughter). I'm glad they're building on top of the bromance in a revolutionary way, instead of rehashing John and Sherlock's chemistry from the past two seasons. I have faith in their ability to write relationships well. I think with this ground work they can do what they did in the first seasons in a new and surprising way.

Very nicely put, Lue!

**Posted by besleybean** July 13, 2014 6:35 pm

Brilliant.