IamSherLock3d wrote:

He cares more for Molly than Lestrade; he arrested him, whilst Molly helped fake his death 

I wouldn´t agree to that. It´s just a different kind of relationship between Sherlock and Lestrade on the one hand and Sherlock and Molly on the other.
He needs them both: Lestrade provides him with cases (what a boring life would Sherlock lead without these?), risks his own career with bringing an "amateur" to crime scenes (in TRF also his personal "fall" seems to start). He was invited to the Christmas Party in ASiB. He thinks "Sherlock will be a great man one day". He defends him against his own colleagues - they are a kind of team, Lestrade and Sherlock. He comes to Baskerville to have an eye on him (if Mycroft has sent him or not is not important). He warns him, gives him the opportunity to escape before he comes to arrest him. And his role during TRF is not clear for me till now, he is very very passive while Sherlock (and John) are escaping. And he is not looking for him at St. Barts, although he knows that Sherlock is quite often there. Etcetc. I am absolutely sure Sherlock knows what a loyal friend (and admirer) he has in him.
In Molly as well, of course. But that she´s in love with Sherlock makes it more difficult, and for somebody like Moriarty the friendship to Lestrade must be much more obvious.
BTW: Why not Mycroft? As mentioned before the brothers played a clever game with Moriarty, for him Mycroft looked like his brother´s traitor. About this we will hear a lot more in series 3, I assume.

Last edited by anjaH_alias (June 3, 2013 11:57 am)

IamSherLock3d wrote:

Did Sherlock know that Moriarty was just agreeing to all the names he said? If so I think he is trying to protect Molly. Lestrade can look after himself, as he has the police, molly is less protected. He also needs her for his plans, so i think he suggests the names so he is in control. If he hadnt had suggested John, Mrs Huddson and Lestrade Moriarty might have gone for Molly and thus disrupted the plan. 

 
 In my eyes Sherlock tries to find out carefully who is meant with "everybody". He thinks quickly whom Moriarty could mean: Of course, first of all John Watson. But this is not enough, "everybody", so then - Mrs Hudson. Okay, Nr. 2 revealed. "Everybody" again, maybe the most difficult part to find out, but as I mentioned before, Lestrade is much more obvious a friend to Sherlock than Molly or Mycroft. Then Sherlock is lucky, Moriarty reveals that these three are all - "three bullets, three gunmen". So Sherlock can be sure, that his confidents during TRF - first of all Mycroft, to whom he never has contact in that time, and second Molly, who offered her help empathically short before - are no targets and he can go on.

We don't know that there are actually three gunmen. I looks like it is so.
There can be just one or even none.
Moriarty wanted Sherlock to believe in three gunmen. That is all we know.

Moriarty made Sherlock name three human beings he cares about. Sherlock did adress them as people he cares about. Sherlock chose them and Moriarty just confirmed them. He could have confirmed other names like this, too. It is supposed to be a threat that Sherlock can't verify in this exact moment.

We are in the same situation right now: The writers showed us three potential people who can be assassins. We are supposed to believe it. We can't verify it right now. The pink police guy can just be a police officer. The fierce gunman in 221b can be somebody Mycroft send there to protect Mrs H.
The last and most suspicious "assassin" is a bit late and arrives when Moriarty is already dead. What does that mean?

And why not Molly?
Sherlock knows that Molly is not in danger.

Last edited by Be (June 5, 2013 9:07 am)

I also think that the sniper is a real assassin.

Still:
Why jump if it is not nescessary? Risk one's life to proof one is clever?

Maybe you are right. I am just saying that we don't know yet. The pink guy can be somebody who planted the doubt about Sherlock in Sally's head. But he can also be just a policeman. We don't know it. He is edited in for us to believe it. He just talks to Sally and he is sitting at his desk. So what?

The guy in 221 b is with Mrs H. He has a tatoo and looks fierce. So what? A tatoo is a tatoo. He can be somebody to protect Mrs. H. with his gun. He is there early in the morning when John was at the Diogenes Club after Mycroft has learned that John has no idea what is happening. So Mycroft sent somebody to be with Mrs H. If Moriarty wanted to kill Mrs. H why would he send the assassin in the morning the previous day? The rooftop threat happend the next day.

Moriarty was not afraid of being tortured by Sherlock. He said: You can torture me; you can do what you like with me. Nothing will prevent them from pulling the trigger. That is not the reason for his suicide. The line not being an angel is not enough either. He killed himself because Sherlock gave him "an extra incentive".

Last edited by Be (June 7, 2013 1:04 pm)

My latest theory is that Sherlock realised what Moriarty's plans would be right after The Great Game, and that he made his own plans, involving Molly, from then on.
Moriarty's plan is to wash his own name clean by killing people, then blaming it on Sherlock and forcing him to commit suicide. He will use Sherlock's friends to put him under pressure. Moriarty has seen in TGG that Sherlock and John would kill and die for each other, so there is no point in denying that. Afterwards Sherlock shows as little affection as possible towards other people. He even says "I don't have friends" and later that John is his only friend, both in public places where other people can hear it. In SiB he is more or less forced to show how much he likes Mrs Hudson. Lestrade follows Sherlock almost everywhere, so it's quite obvious that they are friends as well.
Then in Reichenbach when Moriarty says he will kill Sherlock's friends, he says all of them, that means more than one and probably also more than two. So Sherlock begins with "John" (obvious), then says "Mrs Hudson" and eventually "Lestrade", and luckily that is all. Three bulletts, Moriarty says. He doesn't mention Molly.
Sherlock was not very kind to Molly in TGG, and Moriarty as Jim from IT saw his behaviour towards her, so he probably assumes Sherlock doesn't care about Molly at all. However, Moriarty thinks with the mind of a mass murderer while Sherlock is at least a bit more human. There might be a kind of friendship between him and Molly that is not so obvious.
Sherlock is nicer to Molly in series 2 (not much nicer, just a little more considerate), probably because he already knows he will need her help. Moriarty doesn't suspect anything regarding her involvement, so Sherlock's plans work out in the end. I still have no idea how and how much she helped him, and I'm also not sure if she knows everything or if she even knows that the Fall is just a trick and that Sherlock survived. But I'm pretty sure she played a major role in Sherlock's plans.

I have long stated that Molly is the key.  Sherlock's secret weapon.  Moriarty had misjudged both her and Sherlock, that was his downfall.