nakahara wrote:

Also, if John is a flawed character, certainly it´s not wrong to discuss his flaws?

And if he appears to be not saint but normal human being let's him be it and not send him to hell. 

Accually the more I am watching  the morgue scene the more I like it and consider it in line with the characters,development. The moment when Sherlock realizes that even if John looks like more less coping with Mary's death he is enormly devastated and feels sorrow for him. Sociopath ? No chance. Just higly developed  self defense mechanism as reaction on something in the past that hurt him badly. As he said in TAB - "Nobody made me , I made me."

And anyway, hell doesn't exist! 

I have to say:  I understood it with Mary, I don't understand it with John.

Hm, interesting thought. I imagine it could be plausible, but I think that if it was, it would have been mentioned in the show. 

I just think that if this was the explanation for it, the writers would have let us know. It could be, of course, and I wouldn't have a problem with that. But to be honest, I actually prefer it if it came from John himself. That is something I find much more interesting.

It may be that she didn´t hypnotise him right away, but only influenced him through some words and suggestions to be more wary/paranoid towards Sherlock. So yes, this could work.

On the other hand, John has a history of violence around Sherlock, so who knows?

But this brings me to the question - what was Eurus´ actual role during TLD? Outwardly it seemed like she was a cathalyst that lead him to Culverton Smith eventually and her behaviour as fake John´s fling, fake Faith and fake psycholigist seemed to indicate that this was a setup from her side.... but during conclusion of TLD, we learn that Sherlock wanted to provoke some nasty criminal anyway and so maybe he chose Smith on his own? If that is so, what was Eurus actually doing in TLD and why?

That sounds very convincing for me. And nakahara is right: Euros did'n have to hypnotise John. To influence him by words or suggestions might be enough because he has a tendency to violence anyway. Perhaps she tried to find out how far he would go.















 

SusiGo wrote:

We see John getting extremely violent towards Sherlock only hours after his session with Eurus. In TFP we are told that she can manipulate of re-program people within minutes. Now she has a vulnerable man in her office who had just lost his wife, was tortured by guilt, had rejected his best friend. A man she has targeted before. When her attempts at seducing John do not work, she tries to get to him in the disguise of a therapist. So what if her "treatment" was what caused the inexplicable and inexcusable violence towards Sherlock?
 

I have mixed feelings about this idea.

On the one hand, I think Eurus having manipulated John would take a lot of the emotional impact away. That would be a shame IMO.

On the other hand, it seems like a reasonable idea to me. Why would Eurus pose as the therapist if not to influence John? She was capable to tell three terroristic plans by following Twitter for a while if I remember correctly. A German documentary just taught me that you can write the profile of any person just from 150 of his likes on facebook.

We have not been told that Eurus has manipulated John but that is not a valid Argument if you think of the many many things we were not told. :-p

We, the viewer, are supposed to forgive John for his understandable rage, and subsequent violence because of it - for the same reason Mary (et al) forgave Ajay his rage and his subsequent violence.  Both John and Ajay are 'tortured' souls, lashing out blindly at a malevolent universe which has inflicted so much senseless pain on them - taken away love and family from them.  They both live in horror nightmares.  The way to save their souls is to get them past their horror and rage, and on to healing.  To make them understand they are loved.

It is not a coincidence that both episodes involved such similar situations and responses.  And the reason for both of them was to set up for the third - and final - similar situation and response:  Eurus - who is also an existentially tortured soul, deprived of love all her life,and lashing out with incredible violence at a horrific universe.  She, too, needs to be saved.

Basically, as Benedict stated, the theme of the season is: "Love conquers all"

Pretty accurate explanation of that violent scene.... 

http://cdlafere.tumblr.com/post/159694317085/choosing-a-role-martin-and-benedict