Well, but then it is a highly selective way of zoning out. We have the quote: "He would outlive God trying to have the last word." But apparently not where his relationship to John is concerned. 

SusiGo wrote:

Well, but then it is a highly selective way of zoning out. We have the quote: "He would outlive God trying to have the last word." But apparently not where his relationship to John is concerned. 

And not when it comes to Irene's texts.

But, yes, I do think his zoning out is quite selective, always have been. 

SusiGo wrote:

But the interesting thing is that Mrs Hudson has known Sherlock for quite some time and readily assumes that they will share a bed. 

She also says to John that she doesn't know if Sherlock has ever had any kind of relationship with anyone. So she doesn't seem to know Sherlock better than John in that regard.

Still, what I pointed out was not Mrs. Hudson´s headcanons but Sherlock´s own arrangements for the flat. He was the one who arranged the flat. He took great effort to lure John in, to the point of being incredibly polite and inviting to him (two things he quickly dropped when they were already living together). All this indicates that he took quite a consideration to his new living arrangements (and certainly doen´t indicate apathy or disinterest or any zooming out on his side). And yet he absolutely ignored the fact that the flat as it was offered to them at first only includes one bedroom? ...strange.

It is my understanding that the flat always included an upstairs bedroom.  That's why Sherlock was looking for someone to share it with him.

-Val

Ah-chie wrote:

It is my understanding that the flat always included an upstairs bedroom.  That's why Sherlock was looking for someone to share it with him.

-Val

Yes, exactly.. as I see it Sherlock already rented the flat before he got to know John.. it looks like he´s been already living there for some time, judging from the mess he already made, the experiments on the kitchen table and so on. 

So if I get you correctly, you suggest that Sherlock rented the flat with only one bedroom, with the intent to only let a possible love-interest move in and share this bedroom from the first day on? You never know, but to me that seems quite off for a man who regards love as a chemical defect found in the losing side and pronounces "friend" like a swear-word.. alone protects me, don´t get involved, I´m married to my work and all the principles he lives by..

I think he immediately sees that he can trust John, that he´s an excellent fellow (as Steven Moffat put it), a loner like himself, who´s brave and intelligent and a little reckless (as you have to be as an army doctor).. so he decides this is exactly the flatmate he was looking for and tries pretty carefully not to put him off at first (which stops when he realizes he got him hooked ^^).

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Zatoichi wrote:

So if I get you correctly, you suggest that Sherlock rented the flat with only one bedroom, with the intent to only let a possible love-interest move in and share this bedroom from the first day on? You never know, but to me that seems quite off for a man who regards love as a chemical defect found in the losing side and pronounces "friend" like a swear-word.. alone protects me, don´t get involved, I´m married to my work and all the principles he lives by..

I think he immediately sees that he can trust John, that he´s an excellent fellow (as Steven Moffat put it), a loner like himself, who´s brave and intelligent and a little reckless (as you have to be as an army doctor).. so he decides this is exactly the flatmate he was looking for and tries pretty carefully not to put him off at first (which stops when he realizes he got him hooked ^^).

Did you see me suggesting anything like this above?
I explicitly said that the thing puzzles me. 
 

I always thought it meant, "There is a second room upstairs (= information for John who doesn't know). You can use it as a bedroom if you need one, or turn it into a lab or whatever."

I imagine the rent is for the whole flat (including the second bedroom), but Mrs Hudson thinks that they might be a gay couple sharing a bedroom, hence the comment, and the eagerness to show that she's happy with that.   And of course, it sets up the ongoing "joke".

Zatoichi wrote:

nakahara wrote:

From Mrs. Hudson sentence: "We have another bedroom above in case you need one." I gather that: 

yes, the second bedroom is the part of the flat

but Sherlock didn´t informed his landlady that John would be needing that, allthrough he personally picked John up in front of the house and lead him inside and showed him the rooms

Such an observant man, careful to details - and such oversight?

But why should he explicitly tell her? He rented a flat with two bedrooms and told her he plans to share the rent.. then he comes in with a candidate and shows him around. Why should he feel compelled to tell her that, yes, he will indeed use that second bedroom? The way I see it the thought it could be any different didn´t even occur to him.. that was just Mrs. Hudsons idea, and he just didn´t bother to comment on that.

Yes, this sounds logical. It was up to him and his flatmate to arrange the rooms the way they wanted.
Then it´s probably really just Mrs. Hudson being a busybody and happily presuming things.