And again you've only listed the negatives. Nothing of the positives. No nuances. 

(And John was given a choice once he knew the truth - and he made his choice).

Because I cannot see much positive about her. I did not like her in the wedding planning scene. I found her condescending. I did not like her very much in TEH when she sided with Sherlock instead of supporting John. 

SusiGo wrote:

I do not think they are legally married Mary having used a false name. 

And poor John does not really have a choice. He has been betrayed and must ask himself why he should believe anything at all about their relationship. And another thing - some people mention how wonderful their relationship has been but we do not get to see much of it. And by the beginning of HLV things have started going down the drain IMO. 

Agreed. 

You know, people are still yellin' about Sherlock "betrayed" John by doing the whole TRF thing, and go one about how broken John is from that. Why is it okay for Mary to do essentially the same thing-- actually worse, since she betrayed John in the name of her own self-interest, and Sherlock "betrayed" John to save his, Mrs. Hudson's and Lestrade's lives, plus taking out a criminal empire that was most likely responsible for the deaths of many, many people? 
 

Last edited by RavenMorganLeigh (July 8, 2015 8:46 pm)

SusiGo wrote:

I could not agree more, Raven. 

Well, at least I know I'm not crazy! ;-)

This is indeed relevant as this very argument has been used within and without the forum to excuse Mary's actions. 

I haven't, so I don't see the relevance. But as you seem more occupied with refering to some unknown past I don't know about, and patting each other on the back in agreement over how horrible Mary is, this is not fruitful or constructive. So I will leave it here. This thread seems to be more about "Let's be snarky over how horrible Mary is" than anything else, so I will leave it to you as it is.

Wow, ladies, come on, it's just a movie character!

Thank God that at least some people see Mary in a positive light. New book about young Mary and her past (with a happy ending) comes to your bookstores soon:

http://marymorstanismyhero.tumblr.com/post/89594548649/id-really-like-to-read-the-she-gets-away-with

Just to be clear, I'm really not trying to be snarky or dismissive in any of my comments-- passionate, and sometimes ironic, yes; but absolutely NOT trying to hurt anyone's feelings! 🌻

Do I need to break out the glitter and confetti?  

Another instance of Mary being about the most divisive character in BBC Sherlock.